MAILING-LIST: still lives -- on making Linux a viable business-computing OS

MAILING-LIST: still lives -- on making Linux a viable business-computing OS

Post by Leif Erlingsso » Sat, 08 Nov 1997 04:00:00

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30 Oct 1996 10:28:35 GMT the creation of
was announced at comp.os.linux.announce.

Now my friend Dwight Johnson tells me that:

Hi Leif,
There's some pretty active business discussion happening on
linux-list and it occurs to me that quite a few Linux users
have never heard of the linux-biz list.

I think a new announcement of it on comp.os.linux.announce
would bring in some new blood.  We have experienced some
terrific synergy of minds on the list.  Why not share it


I think he is right.  I have done so.  And I also post here
at comp.os.linux.advocacy.  Here's some of the text from the
original announcement way-back-when (last year):

<original announcement text>

Questions this lists intend to deal with or has dealt with include...

    *   How does one insure the maintenance, longevity,
        widespread support, and continued enhancements of
        the product?

    *   What is effective business computing ?
        And how might you go about it ?

    *   Allen Francom <> says...

        Let me start by saying, business solutions are most
        effective when, rather than buying something off the
        shelf, you look at the requirements, immediate, and
        long term, and then design and implement the appropriate
        solution.  (See where that gets us...)

        And for example, I am aware of many businesses that have
        nothing but dumb terminals and generic text printers, and
        they are quite profitable and successful.  (Because they
        don't need Windows ?, Because they don't have Windows ?,
        Because they designed the right solution to their exact
        problem ? )

    *   Mark Hamstra <> says...

        This is one of the most significant underappreciated
        facts of business computing: A solution that does just
        what you want and nothing more (with the exception of
        providing a flexible future expansion path) is often a
        much more productive and affordable solution than a 'more
        powerful/state-of-the-art' solution.

        ... the biggest problem with complete Windows-based PCs
        on every desktop is the mind boggling support and
        administrative costs associated with this setup.
        If you can get the job done with dumb terminals and a
        couple of centralized servers, then by all means do so:
        you'll save enormous amounts of time and money over the
        long haul.

        Similarly, if you can get the job done with X terminals
        or PCs converted to Linux-based X terminals, do it: not
        only will you save money on initial hardware and software
        purchase costs, but you will also save long term on
        administrative costs, see potentially better performance
        than the 'Windows on every desktop' approach, and have
        much better options for future expansions as your needs

        Many of the same issues that are driving the push toward
        simple Network Computers at the personal level also apply
        to business computing.  Stated quite simply and bluntly:
        Windows PCs on everydesktop is not an optimal solution.

    *   Alan Shutko <> says...

        This may be the strongest point in favor of free (ie,
        source available) software.  You _cannot_ ensure that a
        company will continue to maintain, support, etc software.
        Many people have been stuck when a company ceased to
        support software which they depend on.

        On the other hand if you have source, you can maintain it
        yourself or pay someone else to do so (ie, Cygnus).  It
        then ceases to be "no-cost" software, but it is still
        free in terms of licensing and source.

This list was born off the RedHat list, but is *not* confined to any
particular flavor of Linux.

</original announcement text>

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                >> ~/mail/linux-biz-archive

        gzip -dc < /tmp/linux-biz-22_Sep_1997.gz.bin \
                >> ~/mail/linux-biz-archive

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                >> ~/mail/linux-biz-archive

They can be viewed using less, emacs, pine or several other mail
user agents.  We are around 270 - 280 subscribers, it usually
goes between 273 and 276 with a few leaving and a few coming in
each week.  This has been the membership toll for most of 1997.

We don't want a lot of noise, but have long periods of silence
and intense periods when we debate some subject.  Most of us have
some small business in the Linux area, some bigger some smaller.

You are welcome to liten in, and if you believe you can contribute
you are welcome to do so.  But please read at least the last third
of the archives first!  (

Thanks for listening!

Leif Erlingsson                 Tel     +46 8 604-0995
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I remember the past.  I am not doomed to buy Microsoft products.

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