Very Computer

> AFAIK It's totally legal for MS to use the BSD TCP/IP stack in this way.
> Why dou you think MS attacks the GPL and not the BSD license?

>> If GPL'd code causes what Bill Gates says is an economic
>> loss in jobs, then Bill Gates must be refering to the
>> idiots he fired from Microsoft when they decided to
>> rip-off the BSD tcp/IP stack and use it in all
>> Windows products.

> Why would people at MS get fired for using BSD licensed code?

> You'll notice that the article says that the analysis was done by a wall
> street journal reporter.  As if he has the technical expertise to properly
> analyze the "behaviors" and draw an informed conclusion.

> I do respect Mr Lehey though, and he did at least make reference to the fact
> that MS originally bought the stack from Spider.

>> If GPL'd code causes what Bill Gates says is an economic
>> loss in jobs, then Bill Gates must be refering to the
>> idiots he fired from Microsoft when they decided to
>> rip-off the BSD tcp/IP stack and use it in all
>> Windows products.

> Actually, MS used their rewritten TCP/IP stack in Win95 originally.  Only NT
> 3.1 had the BSD based stack, everything from 3.5 on up used MS's new stack.

>>http://www.veryComputer.com/

>>If GPL'd code causes what Bill Gates says is an economic
>>loss in jobs, then Bill Gates must be refering to the
>>idiots he fired from Microsoft when they decided to
>>rip-off the BSD tcp/IP stack and use it in all
>>Windows products.

> Read the BSD license and realize Microsoft used it completely legally.  
> Microsoft is being very hypocritical when it attacks the GPL, it likes the
> BSD license though.  It's been known for years that Microsft used the BSD
> stack, so did Linux at one time.  There was a little stink a few months
> back when it was discovered that one of the linux drivers, some ide stuff
> I think, was taken from FreeBSD but not properly attributed to the
> rightful copyright owner.

> > http://www.daemonnews.org/200108/dadvocate.html

> You'll notice that the article says that the analysis was done by a wall
> street journal reporter.  As if he has the technical expertise to properly
> analyze the "behaviors" and draw an informed conclusion.

> I do respect Mr Lehey though, and he did at least make reference to the fact
> that MS originally bought the stack from Spider.
> Actually, MS used their rewritten TCP/IP stack in Win95 originally.  Only NT
> 3.1 had the BSD based stack, everything from 3.5 on up used MS's new stack.

>>>http://www.veryComputer.com/

>>>If GPL'd code causes what Bill Gates says is an economic
>>>loss in jobs, then Bill Gates must be refering to the
>>>idiots he fired from Microsoft when they decided to
>>>rip-off the BSD tcp/IP stack and use it in all
>>>Windows products.

>> Read the BSD license and realize Microsoft used it completely legally.  
>> Microsoft is being very hypocritical when it attacks the GPL, it likes the
>> BSD license though.  It's been known for years that Microsft used the BSD
>> stack, so did Linux at one time.  There was a little stink a few months
>> back when it was discovered that one of the linux drivers, some ide stuff
>> I think, was taken from FreeBSD but not properly attributed to the
>> rightful copyright owner.

>No they didn't.  At the time Erik *ingbush and the other nitwits
>are mouthing off about, Windows 3.51 era, the BSD license REQUIRED
>the 'STATE BOARD OF REGENTS CREDITS TO BE DISPLAYED UPON BOOTUP
>OF THE OPERATING SYSTEM' if you were to use their license.

>>> http://www.veryComputer.com/

>>> If GPL'd code causes what Bill Gates says is an economic
>>> loss in jobs, then Bill Gates must be refering to the
>>> idiots he fired from Microsoft when they decided to
>>> rip-off the BSD tcp/IP stack and use it in all
>>> Windows products.

>> Read the BSD license and realize Microsoft used it completely
>> legally. Microsoft is being very hypocritical when it attacks the
>> GPL, it likes the BSD license though.  It's been known for years
>> that Microsft used the BSD stack, so did Linux at one time.  There
>> was a little stink a few months back when it was discovered that one
>> of the linux drivers, some ide stuff I think, was taken from FreeBSD
>> but not properly attributed to the rightful copyright owner.

> No they didn't.  At the time Erik *ingbush and the other nitwits
> are mouthing off about, Windows 3.51 era, the BSD license REQUIRED
> the 'STATE BOARD OF REGENTS CREDITS TO BE DISPLAYED UPON BOOTUP
> OF THE OPERATING SYSTEM' if you were to use their license.

>>>> http://www.veryComputer.com/

>>>> If GPL'd code causes what Bill Gates says is an economic
>>>> loss in jobs, then Bill Gates must be refering to the
>>>> idiots he fired from Microsoft when they decided to
>>>> rip-off the BSD tcp/IP stack and use it in all
>>>> Windows products.

>>> Read the BSD license and realize Microsoft used it completely
>>> legally. Microsoft is being very hypocritical when it attacks the
>>> GPL, it likes the BSD license though.  It's been known for years
>>> that Microsft used the BSD stack, so did Linux at one time.  There
>>> was a little stink a few months back when it was discovered that one
>>> of the linux drivers, some ide stuff I think, was taken from FreeBSD
>>> but not properly attributed to the rightful copyright owner.

>> No they didn't.  At the time Erik *ingbush and the other nitwits
>> are mouthing off about, Windows 3.51 era, the BSD license REQUIRED
>> the 'STATE BOARD OF REGENTS CREDITS TO BE DISPLAYED UPON BOOTUP
>> OF THE OPERATING SYSTEM' if you were to use their license.

> Sorry, but you really don't understand licenses, do you?  Just a few random
> points

> 1)  The license of the code used is relevant, not the license of equivelant
> code of that time.  The copyright on the code is 1983, AFAIK this was
> several years before the BSDL free license was created.

> 2)  MS licensed the code, which may well have had alternate license
> conditions even if what you said were true.

> 3)  There is nothing in any version of the BSD license which requires
> copyright to be displayed when an Operating system is booted.