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That'll be the day-- I generally avoid anything sanctioned by that
wacked-out software Rasputin Richard Stallman.

--
Chris R Chapman
.Net Software Development Consultant
www.chapmanconsulting.ca

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> Try Linux today!

Just for the record, Mono is pretty cool. Miguel is one of the
few visionaries in the Linux camp that can see beyond a
blind hatred for anything MS. It's unfortunate it's GPL, but
it's still better for the community as a whole, so we'll let
that one slide ;)

-c

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> > Try Linux today!

I installed it, and while it does work, there are definitely some quarks in
this release.  Consider it an alpha,

Lanik

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Quote:

> Try Linux today!

Is it any more different with the convicted monopoly, M$???

Are they STRANGE or CHARMing?

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> > Try Linux today!

There's a whole world of difference-- read Stallman's manifesto.  I can
already tell by your reliance on the well-worn acronym of simplicity "M$"
that you're an anti-capitalist who prefers the safe harbour of collectivism
to shore up your ideals.

MS has been acquitted and it has been demonstrated in open court that MS'
foes like Sun were behind the State Attorneys General, bankrolling them,
feeding them the usual broth of half-truths and fiction all to abuse the
courts to their own ends.

Stallman is a crypto-Communist who is only now coming to grips with his own
identity that many others realized about him long ago.  I am not opposed to
the concept of alternative licensing for software-- but I am vehemently
opposed to anything released under GPL-- it's wrong on a number levels and I
think developers should take a long hard look at what they're signing up for
when they use GPL.  There are better alternatives.

--
Chris R Chapman
..Net Software Development Consultant
www.chapmanconsulting.ca

Actually, the ruling that MS engaged in anti-competitive acts still
stands. The question that the latest judge was answering was the remedy
for those acts.

Judge "Sleepy; I'm a disgrace to the robe" Jackson found them guilty
for everything in the book whether it applied to the case or not.

The Appeals Court smacked Jackson, removed most of the findings, but
left a few.

Legally (which can be different from "actually"), MS is still a
monopoly in some sense of the legal definition (but not all senses,
like Jackson had originally found).

The Appeals Court decided it would be better to have a Judge who
was something less than Completely Partial and Bias like Jackson
to decide the remedy, thus entered Kollar-Keltly (sp, I know).

-c

It was all just a series of technical violations in an emerging industry.
Who knew ?

So "Judge Sleepy" doesn't know his ass from a hole in the ground then...

Quote:> The Appeals Court smacked Jackson, removed most of the findings, but left
> a few.

> Legally (which can be different from "actually"), MS is still a monopoly
> in some sense of the legal definition (but not all senses, like Jackson
> had originally found).

Can you have diahrea 1/2 way Chad?

Do you get a little aids?

How do you have 'some sense' of a monopoly?  

Quote:> The Appeals Court decided it would be better to have a Judge who was
> something less than Completely Partial and Bias like Jackson to decide the
> remedy, thus entered Kollar-Keltly (sp, I know).

> -c

"I know" what?   Perhaps "I know" that Sony is fixing to file an
anti-trust case against MS for dumping X-boxes and advertising bucks
against the PS/2?  

We truely live in a crazy society where we 'MUST HAVE' *FREE TRADE* yet
we 'MUST MAINTAIN' corrupt and inefficient monopolies.

I'd run MONO over MS C# just because I don't need to get 'some sense'
of a feeling up my ass.

Dr. Evil

That's an assumption on your part.  The whole point was to
keep the software out of the hands of the corporate greedy.
Know a better way to thwart Bill Gates methods of doing
business??

Quote:> MS has been acquitted and it has been demonstrated in open court that MS'
> foes like Sun were behind the State Attorneys General, bankrolling them,
> feeding them the usual broth of half-truths and fiction all to abuse the
> courts to their own ends.

Yes, and it's all politics too.  Republicans are
pro-business, and it was the Democrates that started the
anti-trust suit against M$.  In the beginning I thought to
myself, why are they screwing a successful company??  After
further research, and many M$ business partners being
screwed out of their company by M$, I've done an about face
on my feelings about the matter.

Quote:> Stallman is a crypto-Communist who is only now coming to grips with his own
> identity that many others realized about him long ago.

Got proof he is a crypto-Communist??

Quote:>  I am not opposed to
> the concept of alternative licensing for software-- but I am vehemently
> opposed to anything released under GPL-- it's wrong on a number levels and I
> think developers should take a long hard look at what they're signing up for
> when they use GPL.

Then you should go and look at www.lahey.com... they have
integrated their compiler portions with GNU compilers
without any adverse affects.  They also provide windows
compilers as well.  You can write code for GPL projects...
you just have to know where the boundaries are for
licensing.  You'd need a good lawyer anyway if you did write
a decent piece of software that you intend on selling, no
matter what o/s.

Quote:>  There are better alternatives.

But the court case isn't really overwith yet.  You forget
Mass. and W.VA.

then...

Well, that's what the appeals court said. Not in so many words, but
that's the gist.

Quote:> > The Appeals Court smacked Jackson, removed most of the findings, but
left
> > a few.

> > Legally (which can be different from "actually"), MS is still a
monopoly
> > in some sense of the legal definition (but not all senses, like
Jackson
> > had originally found).

> Can you have diahrea 1/2 way Chad?

> Do you get a little aids?

> How do you have 'some sense' of a monopoly?

Please allow me to clarify for the less adept in our audience.

What I meant to say is that whether MS is a monopoly or not is
irrelevant. It is illegal to abuse monopoly power and there are
several ways and degrees of abusing monopoly power. The appeals
court found that MS had abused a little in some areas, a lot in
other areas, and not at all in others, rather than mass *ing
babies like Judge Jackson practically stated, which was the original
point. That is, if you're not totally confused by now (which I'm
sure happens often).

Quote:> > The Appeals Court decided it would be better to have a Judge who was
> > something less than Completely Partial and Bias like Jackson to
decide the
> > remedy, thus entered Kollar-Keltly (sp, I know).

> > -c

> "I know" what?   Perhaps "I know" that Sony is fixing to file an
> anti-trust case against MS for dumping X-boxes and advertising bucks
> against the PS/2?

Aw, poor Sony. A little competition comes along and "OH NO! MONOPOLY!"

It's sad that companies can no longer compete in the market. Whenever
someone challenges their golden throne, it's to the courts immediately.

Rather than competing with MS and releasing their own online *
system (which is what consumers want and why MS is starting to take
the lead with XBox Live!), they'd rather mire in the courts and
ultimately damaging the consumers.

Quote:> We truely live in a crazy society where we 'MUST HAVE' *FREE TRADE*
yet
> we 'MUST MAINTAIN' corrupt and inefficient monopolies.

Which is better than a society where the government hunts down any
corporation which may innovate or be agreesive in the market.

At any rate, no one's yet proven that MS is inefficient. In fact,
they're
just the opposite. It's because of the competition that Jackson denies
that MS has created most of their products. It's because of competition
like Sony, Sun, Netscape, Intuit, etc that MS makes their products
better and ultimately benefits the consumer.

The problem is that there isn't competition to MS-- there's plenty
of that -- it's that the competition is so completely and totally
incompetent, that MS just trounces them. Netscape, Novell, and now
Sun are perfect examples of this. Sony is holding their own, but
they're losing too. Their product quality is really down lately.
They have on several occasions abused their customers by shipping
defective products and either not honoring the warranty, or
dragging their feet until the warranty expires. Last I checked,
there were at least a few, if not many class actions against them,
and there's about to be some more.

For example, I have a Sony DVD player that I found out has a
defective in-line fuse on the circuit board that causes the
laser tracking to go haywire, rendering the unit completely useless.
This occurs on average around 12 - 14 months in most units... the
warranty is 12 months. Sony refuses to replace the units or
otherwise compensate the consumers (of which I am one) and will
shortly get sued for it.

Quote:> I'd run MONO over MS C# just because I don't need to get 'some sense'
> of a feeling up my ass.

Well, I'm sorry you are SO blinded by your ignorance that you
can't even see when MS does something good like .NET.

It's very frustrating trying to communicate with people like you
who are so spoon-fed and completely devoid of independent thought.
I'm offended by your staggering ignorance and brain-washed
droning.

-c

haha, nice to see someoen with some eloquence express these points, seem to
see 'em from other mostly mushmouthed idividuals(like myself)
well put, chad, well put.

begin  After rebooting Windows, Chad Myers mumbled:

Quote:> Just for the record, Mono is pretty cool. Miguel is one of the
> few visionaries in the Linux camp that can see beyond a
> blind hatred for anything MS. It's unfortunate it's GPL, but
> it's still better for the community as a whole, so we'll let
> that one slide ;)

> -c

We're getting closer to the real Chad Myers.  On lithium, no doubt.

--
Microsoft -- One degree of separation between
running and rebooting.

end

Lot's of generalizations here but no substance. So you don't like GPL.
How do you feel about OSS in general (forget which license).

Your jab at communism is an obvious clue that you think all software
should be for fee. So how do you feel about competition? Is it good thing
or bad? Does M$ really have any competition outside OSS? The fact is all
of their competitors are crumbling except OSS. Yet OSS is the one you
want to kick. You sound like a troll.

--
jackson

I cannot do it without comp[u]ters. -- Shakespeare, William (1564 - 1616)