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I've been following this I2O debate with interest.

This is patently ridiculous. If they *really* want I2O to be "the" new
standard, they should make the spec public. If they need $$$ for
funding, they should charge for membership to their board.

I am hoping that I2O will be another 'MCA' and quietly pass away.

Can anyone confirm the poor I/O rate of I2O? I've heard the theoretical
max is about 50Mb/sec, which is fairly low, even PCI manages ~133Mb/sec,
and a 66Mhz/64bit PCI bus could do 533Mb/sec (Yes, I am aware of the
difference between the PCI bus and an I/O bus like SCSI, however there
is no reason why you could not get PCI like speeds from an I/O bus)

Bill

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Hilter wasn't ignorant of Jews either... BTW, let's start calling the
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Quote:> Hilter wasn't ignorant of Jews either... BTW, let's start calling the
> companies on that members list the ShitList.

Quote:>Hilter wasn't ignorant of Jews either...

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: > From http://www.veryComputer.com/:
: >
: > I would claim that I2O is not a proprietary spec - anybody is free to
: > join the SIG."
: >                                         - Michael LoBue
: >                                           I2O spokesman
: >
: > (How long do you think "anybody" would remain "free to join" the SIG
: > if, say, Red Hat or Caldera tried to sign up?)
:
: Just as long as it took them to change the terms.
:
: I've been following this I2O debate with interest.
:
: This is patently ridiculous. If they *really* want I2O to be "the" new
: standard, they should make the spec public. If they need $$$ for
: funding, they should charge for membership to their board.
:
: I am hoping that I2O will be another 'MCA' and quietly pass away.
:
: Can anyone confirm the poor I/O rate of I2O? I've heard the theoretical
: max is about 50Mb/sec, which is fairly low, even PCI manages ~133Mb/sec,
: and a 66Mhz/64bit PCI bus could do 533Mb/sec (Yes, I am aware of the
: difference between the PCI bus and an I/O bus like SCSI, however there
: is no reason why you could not get PCI like speeds from an I/O bus)

What is scary is if the person would have posted the whole part:

But, says LoBue, "I try to tell these people that one, this isn't a
* and two, the founders are not stupid, ignorant people unaware
of a free approach to licensing - so grow up, get over it. Either join or
wait until such time as they feel that it doesn't need to be licensed.
Boy, they're sure having a lot of fun on their soapbox lecturing about how
ruin and damnation will happen because there are 'proprietary specs.' I
would claim that I2O is not a proprietary spec - anybody is free to join the
SIG."

Quote:> Of course they aren't ignorant of free software. Otherwise, it wouldn't
> be engineered the way it is. It's an ATTACK on free software.

> Hilter wasn't ignorant of Jews either... BTW, let's start calling the
> companies on that members list the ShitList.

Hey, how come I can read this? And this? Oh, drat.

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   are serious about the project;  I wouldn't be surprised if the only
   thing that the I2O steering committee had against free software
   was the annoying tendency to produce about 50% of a product, then
   lose interest and go on to the next big thing [1].  Look at the PNP
   tools for Linux, for instance;  for what they do, they're great,
   but when they produce a forth-like code dump that you have to edit,
   you know they won't be making it into any plug and forget software
   package.

   [1 Microsoft probably thinks this is A Good Thing.]

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                  \/         sake.  If it ever was `proprietary', it's public
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:> From http://www.wired.com/news/news/technology/story/5343.html:
:>
:> I would claim that I2O is not a proprietary spec - anybody is free to
:> join the SIG."

But they can't ship non-proprietary drivers, now can they?

:>                                         - Michael LoBue
:>                                           I2O spokesman
:>
:> (How long do you think "anybody" would remain "free to join" the SIG
:> if, say, Red Hat or Caldera tried to sign up?)
:
:Just as long as it took them to change the terms.
:
:I've been following this I2O debate with interest.
:
:This is patently ridiculous. If they *really* want I2O to be "the" new
:standard, they should make the spec public.

If Microsoft and Intel want I2O to be the new standard, their will is
as good as law.

This is NOT like IBM and MCA.  In the old days, the cloners could say
'no' to IBM, and use a different bus, and save some money.  No brainer.

In this case, they cannot say "no" to Intel and Microsoft.

If they're on Intel's shitlist, they don't get any allocation for next
generation chips if they have the gall to not buy chipsets which use Intel's
I2O stuff.

If they're on Microsoft's, they get a nice call from a MS manager to
'renegotiate' their OEM terms, if they have the gall to market alternative
operating systems.

I2O will come, and Wintel will only run on it, and the 'operating system
independent' drivers will only work on Windows.

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