Linux Gurus- Your Opinon, Please?

Linux Gurus- Your Opinon, Please?

Post by Ken Schulle » Thu, 04 Jun 1998 04:00:00



I caught this doing a bit of mid-afternoon surfing on the Enlightenment home
page, and I'm curious as to what the die-hards think.  Corel Computers (a
division of *the* Corel, but not *the* Corel per se) is buiIding Linux "thin
clients" based on the StrongARM chip.If those of you who regularly use Linux
are curious and want to spout your opinion of these two systems, I'm
interested.  Pros/cons, the whole nine yards.  They *seem* pretty slick,
but, I haven't really scratched the surface to see what's underneath.
Thanks in advance.

URL:  http://www.corelcomputer.com/products/linux_products.htm

Ken

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Linux Gurus- Your Opinon, Please?

Post by T » Thu, 04 Jun 1998 04:00:00


On Wed, 3 Jun 1998 02:34:51 -0500, "Ken Schuller"

Quote:>I caught this doing a bit of mid-afternoon surfing on the Enlightenment home
>page, and I'm curious as to what the die-hards think.  Corel Computers (a
>division of *the* Corel, but not *the* Corel per se) is buiIding Linux "thin
>clients" based on the StrongARM chip.If those of you who regularly use Linux
>are curious and want to spout your opinion of these two systems, I'm
>interested.  Pros/cons, the whole nine yards.  They *seem* pretty slick,
>but, I haven't really scratched the surface to see what's underneath.
>Thanks in advance.

>URL:  http://www.corelcomputer.com/products/linux_products.htm

>Ken

This news has been out for a while.  I'll wager that anyone in this
group can come up with at least a dozen reasons why the network computer
concept  is a good one, with lower administration costs possibly topping
the list.

Problem is, the hardware/software packages being promoted for
thin-client systems have been equal in price, or very close, to that for
full-fledged PCs. The Java apps that were supposed to be so nifty have
left executives yawning, and are seen as being slow, underfeatured, and
underpowered. According to Computer World, very few decision makers in
big IS departments are willing to put their necks out for these unproven
systems. Most say they'll stick with a more conformist distributed
computing model while pushing towards a more "server-side" management
approach. With mini-mainframes coming down in price and boasting
applications that businesses want, it is hard to imagine just who would
invest heavily in the NC networking model.

I tend to side with the editorialists who ask, "Why would anyone want
slimmed-down capabilities at the same price as a 'real' computer?" With
hardware prices continuing to slide downward, I think the NC is an idea
whose time came and went.  

My $.02

TL

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Linux Gurus- Your Opinon, Please?

Post by Christopher Brow » Fri, 05 Jun 1998 04:00:00


On Wed, 3 Jun 1998 10:48:48 -0500, Ken Schuller


>One thing that immediately intrigued me is that one of their machines isn't
>truly a "thin client"-  a 3GB HD was included on one of the models, and it
>appeared to have a slot at the front of the case for either floppies or CD's
>as well.

>The thing I can't figure out is why they went StrongARM rather than Intel or
>PPC.  I understand power consumption was part of the decision, but it makes
>me wonder who's going to handle kernel updates, compilers, etc.  They
>_could_ be making a great thing here, but it's a thin line between a great
>thing and an orphan...

I get the impression that both they and Cobalt Computing are *not*
selling "thin clients" at this point, but rather targetting the areas of
the "Thin Server."

The boxes are nice targets for providing:
- Web services (targeting IIS)
- File services via SAMBA (targeting NT Server)

You can make considerably more money on a $1000 "lite server" than you
can on a $300 "lite client;" once you've pushed some servers into
enterprises, it will be easier to push in the clients.

The choice of StrongARM over Intel is interesting; I would think that
power consumption and the price of the chips combines with the fact that
the non-use of IA-32 encourages people to come to Corel for software.

If they sold little servers running IA-32s, then Red Hat, Caldera, Linux
Mall, and others are nicely positioned to sell lots of software.  By
using StrongARM, this means that Corel is positioned as the primary
software source, which is where they want to be.

Similarly, Cobalt's use of MIPS means that they are the primary software
source for their systems.

Their having eschewed PPC is not a big surprise; I don't think there are
too many $25 PPC CPUs out there.  (Although I could stand to be
corrected on that...)

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Linux Gurus- Your Opinon, Please?

Post by David Buba » Fri, 05 Jun 1998 04:00:00



> Their having eschewed PPC is not a big surprise; I don't think there are
> too many $25 PPC CPUs out there.  (Although I could stand to be
> corrected on that...)

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> no conclusion can be drawn from them." (By Joseph L. Brothers,
> Linux/PowerPC Project)


$25 PPC CPU'S? on what motherboards? where?

Lets see: $25 for the CPU, $50 for the RAM, $150 for the HD, $40 for the
case, $150 for the monitor
thats $395 make it $400 for a decent computer, maybe $500 tops??
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Linux Gurus- Your Opinon, Please?

Post by FoulDrag » Fri, 05 Jun 1998 04:00:00


Quote:

>Lets see: $25 for the CPU, $50 for the RAM, $150 for the HD, $40 for the
>case, $150 for the monitor
>thats $395 make it $400 for a decent computer, maybe $500 tops??

What kind of CPU do you get for 25.-?  Even the 5x86/133 in its heyday was 35.-
A mainboard [about 60.- on up] would be nice, too, as would a CD drive [40.- on
up], although the monitor could go as low as 120.
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Linux Gurus- Your Opinon, Please?

Post by Ken Schulle » Fri, 05 Jun 1998 04:00:00



>The Corel Netwinder reportedly prices to about $800 for something not
>dissimilar in configuration to this using StrongARM; if that's in $CDN
>(head office, is, after all, in Ottawa, Canada) then that's not
>materially different from $600 USD.

That ROCKS!  :)

T'would make a great and cool toy to have sitting on my desk...  I'm
actually waiting for the literature to come back from Corel-  should be here
in a few weeks.  I'll keep the NG posted.

Ken

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Linux Gurus- Your Opinon, Please?

Post by FoulDrag » Sun, 07 Jun 1998 04:00:00


Quote:>not
>>dissimilar in configuration to this using StrongARM; if that's in $CDN
>>(head office, is, after all, in Ottawa, Canada) then that's not
>>materially different from $600 USD.

They should offer a portable one with a greyscale SVGA [1024x768x256 scales]
screen too..... sell it for about that of a used 486/100 laptop
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