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Quote:>Microsoft does not want to publicise the image of NT being a baby of
>VMS, does it? Why? Was it ever advertised as a 'better Unix than Unix'.
>Or in truth is it a 'better VMS than VMS'?

The one class on porting Unix to NT was worth going just to watch the hair
on the back of the Unix guys necks stand up <G>.

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Quote:>Microsoft does not want to publicise the image of NT being a baby of
>VMS, does it? Why? Was it ever advertised as a 'better Unix than Unix'.
>Or in truth is it a 'better VMS than VMS'?

writes:

|>Microsoft does not want to publicise the image of NT being a baby of
|>VMS, does it? Why? Was it ever advertised as a 'better Unix than Unix'.
|>Or in truth is it a 'better VMS than VMS'?

Windows NT is actually a derivative of VAXELN, the real-time and embedded
OS that NT project leader Dave Cutler designed at Digital.  Microsoft doesn't
talk about this much either.

But what does it matter?  Why must one OS be held up as "better" than
another?  Isn't it time we moved past OS-wars (and language wars)?
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Unix fans: how do you like VMS?

VMS fans: how do you like Unix?

I sometimes wonder how close Windows NT can be to VMS.

Maybe this is just a coincidence:

VMS -> V++, M++, S++ == W, N, T !!!!!

(oopps, do VMS folks use C?)

VMS++ == Windows NT!!

WNT was designed by some VMS guys for sure. How close is WNT culture to
VMS?

Is the similarity of WNT and VMS that puts off major Unix fans?

Do Unix fans hate VMS by tradition, and vice versa?

So do you think WNT can beat Unix flat this time? Can DEC+MS kill Unix?
Is this just a war between OSes, or a conflict of corporate culture vs
hacker's culture?

Microsoft does not want to publicise the image of NT being a baby of
VMS, does it? Why? Was it ever advertised as a 'better Unix than Unix'.
Or in truth is it a 'better VMS than VMS'?

Can you offer some citations to back this up?  I mean, I've read "Inside
Windows NT" by H. Custer, but that's just a book.  It doesn't have tables
of real system calls, real memory maps or anything.  Just a lot of
"architecture diagrams" and vague, hand-waving text.  That doesn't prove
anything.  The documented part of relatively NT is just WIN32.  It's
hard to tell what's underneath, since all we have to go on is Custer's
unsupported assertions.

-Todd

Quote:>Not that I'm sensitive or anything <g>, but Helen was part of the
>development team all along.  I'd hardly call her work "unsupported
>assertions".

/jjs

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