Very Computer

Things they say re CSS and OSS software and counter arguments.
I'll start the ball rolling with:-

01.
 <q> How do you get "support" for your OSS software ?
<a> Just because it is paid for don't mean the support is any good.
With OSS just  join the local LUG and get prompt personal help
anytime.

drsquare used a team of monkeys to generate this reply:

Quote:> Local LUG? So you have to cart yourself off to some meeting
> with a load of nerds just to get the answer to a question
> that should have been in the documentation in the first
> place?

Do you not know what a mailing list is? Most LUGs (as well as most
applications) run one. On the other hand nipping down to the pub for a few
drinks and a couple of answers is hardly the uncaring face of non existant
support.

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On Sun, 29 Dec 2002 19:48:26 +0000, Richard Revis

02. "Nobody pays for software on Linux."  -  Ballmer

responce any one ?

Ballmer is a cretin. I have paid for linux software more that 3 times the
amount I paid for windows software in the same timespan. And I don't do
warez like our wintendo using trolls do
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On Sun, 29 Dec 2002 20:28:33 +0000, Angerthas.Daero revealed:

Quote:> 02. "Nobody pays for software on Linux."  -  Ballmer

Let's See, in the past years:

I bought the Red Hat Box Set on RH 4.2, 5.2, 6.1, and 7.1 Box Sets.

I bought Red Hat 6.2 and 7.2 Disks from Cheapbytes
  (complete with sources and other tools).

I bought the Mandrake 7.0 Box Set.

I bought a Linux Unleashed book twice (with distros), one for
       Red Hat, the other for Slackware.

I bought Suse, and Debian disks from Linux Central via my LUG.

I made a contribution to linuxiso.org

I paid for 2 years commercial support from Code Forge for C-Forge.

I bought 4 (GCC and Make) books from the gnu.org.

And I won't go into how many books with sources I bought for Development
on my Linux System.

Yep, I got it all for free.....NOT!

The good news is I get to decide where I'm going to spend my money instead
of being forced to buy Bundled garbage I don't want just for the *license*
(NOTE:  NOT THE SOFTWARE) to run programs as I had to do in the past (over
10 years ago) to develop on Windows.

Angerthas.Daeron wrote on Sunday 29 December 2002 15:28 in message

Quote:> 02. "Nobody pays for software on Linux."  -  Ballmer

> responce any one ?

Ballmer is either kept uninformed in his little ivory tower or he's lying
through his teeth. People do pay for software on Linux.

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Dave Leigh, Consulting Systems Analyst
Cratchit.org

I think what he means is that nobody has to pay
Microsoft to use software on Linux. I doubt that
his point of view extends beyond that.

Jim

Quote:> 02. "Nobody pays for software on Linux."  -  Ballmer

> responce any one ?

Just bought Suse 8 from PC World. Got receipt here. You think I should
post it to Ballmer so he is forced to retract his statement?

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I don't think that closed-source and open-source are opposites.  

A better word might be "commercial" and "non-commercial" ... but this is
quite unrelated to the availability of source-code.

In a _few_ programs, one of these being Linux itself, source-code is
important.  But for a lot of them my position is, "what the hell am I going
to do with 200,000 lines of C?"  Support of a product is one thing that I
_pay_ for.

I pay Red Hat for support to their Linux product.  It's pleasant but amusing
to me that it costs $60 a year.  I'd pay them five times that much if they
asked.

A lot of people in the Linux community seem to believe that it's "wrong" to
charge for software ... but I know of no other way for a professional
computer programmer to, you know, /eat./  Mark my words, unless he's the
recipient of a fat trust-fund, he /works/ somewhere and gets /money/ for
it, and that money came from someone who _paid_ for something.

On Sun, 29 Dec 2002 18:47:23 -0700, Sundial Services

I'm using the term to differentiate  between the two camps.
We can all agree that there is definitly a difference.

03.
linux .. seems to generate very disturbing behavior .. among his
advocates ..

comments anyone ?

Most of the time, said "disturbing" behaviour is restricted to places like
COLA. Now, if those that are "disturbed" by this behaviour don't frequent
this group, then all would be well. But surprise, surprise, they actually
encamp themselves in said environment, and are sorely offended! They then
write scathing rebuttals and portray themselves as victims.

How then does one classify this behaviour? Perhaps the recent revelations
about the reactions of MS executives to Linux may hold a clue.

Regards,
Wei Shun

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That explains why he sweats alot then.

Quote:> That's not software ON Linux, it's software that IS Linux.

There's a few commercial packages included such as Opera 6 which Suse
will have had to pay a licence fee for.

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On Mon, 30 Dec 2002 06:05:56 +0000, Angerthas.Daeron

04, Linux is a cancer  -  Ballmer

commnets anyone ?

Did that fool actually say that?  Attribution?

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