Ratings: Bill Gates on MSN vs. Michael Jackson on AOL

Ratings: Bill Gates on MSN vs. Michael Jackson on AOL

Post by Arun Gup » Sat, 02 Mar 1996 04:00:00




>An enjoyable jab at MS written as an editorial in COMPUTE.

>http://www.vnu.co.uk/bc/ctg/15_02/opinions/bilwatch.htm

Also read : The Bray Perspective, in the same place
(http://www.vnu.co.uk/bc/ctg/15_02/opinions/)

A sample :

Quote :

   Microsoft still insists that you could run its monstrous
   progeny on a 386 using 4Mb of memory. This is rather like arguing that
   the Duchess of York could drive herself around in a C-reg Ford Fiesta
   - theoretically possible, but beyond the bounds of rational
   expectation.

......

end quote

:-)
arun gupta

 
 
 

Ratings: Bill Gates on MSN vs. Michael Jackson on AOL

Post by Joseph Coughl » Sat, 02 Mar 1996 04:00:00


An enjoyable jab at MS written as an editorial in COMPUTE.

http://www.vnu.co.uk/bc/ctg/15_02/opinions/bilwatch.htm

This is counter clockwise spin.  It's the very FUD teh US print media
pushes on us only this time it jabs at MS.

OS/2 users will like this a lot.
--



 
 
 

Ratings: Bill Gates on MSN vs. Michael Jackson on AOL

Post by rj friedm » Sun, 03 Mar 1996 04:00:00




Quote:tt.edu (Jim Rankin) writes:


"The stop-go PowerPC industry does bring a smile to Microsoft's lips,
but that could be removed - it turns out that IBM has two key patents
(US 4,674,040: merging of documents, and US 4,815,029:  in-line dynamic
editor for mixed objects) otherwise known as DDE and OLE. With the ending
of the
40-year-old IBM consent decree (except, curiously, for the System 390 and
AS/400 families), IBM is now in a position to seek much better licensing
terms from Microsoft when the licences come up for renewal in about 18
months."

So, one of the founding fathers of OpenDoc basically owns the right to
OLE, if I'm reading this correctly.  Is there any reason IBM can't make
Mr. Bill beg like a dog, roll over, sit up, play dead, etc. to renew this
license?  I mean, what's M$ going to do without the right to continue
using OLE?  Convert to OpenDoc?  Hmmm... :-)

Actually, the PERFECT scenario would be the following:  offer M$ the
option of licensing the OLE stuff for $2x, or licensing and supporting
BOTH OpenDoc and OLE for $x.  Can you say poetic justice?  :-)

As all of this sounds WAY to good to be true, can anyone point out
exactly what it is that I'm missing here?

The question in my mind is - will IBM actually take advantage of the
situation, or will they let it slip through their hands, as they have
(unfortunately), done so many times in the past wrt OS/2?

-jimbo

??
o[RJ]                o                       o
orj friedman         o Team ABW              o

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Ratings: Bill Gates on MSN vs. Michael Jackson on AOL

Post by Sangr » Fri, 08 Mar 1996 04:00:00




Quote:>Hmm...this is interesting.  I thought Wang held the rights to OLE.  From
>what I've heard, MS pretty much stole it.  When Wang took them to court
>about it, they settled out of court with MS agreeing to acquire a large
>stake in Wang, which was (still is) in serious financial trouble.  

Actually, I think you're thinking of a different technology.
I recall it being something like OCR, not OLE.

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Ratings: Bill Gates on MSN vs. Michael Jackson on AOL

Post by Ian S. Nels » Mon, 11 Mar 1996 04:00:00




>>>...IBM is now in a position to seek much better licensing
>>>terms from Microsoft when the licences come up for renewal in about 18
>>>months."
>>Perhaps we could see OS/2 versions of all Microsoft products? Or no
>>OLE/DDE license...
>>What the heck...a little hardball for the guys that like to use it
>>on everyone else. Poetic justice.
>>If I were Lou Gerstner, I'd do it in a second. Bullies like Microsoft
>>deserve harsh treatment.
>We may get our wish. IBM has announced OpenDoc for AIX, so it looks like
>it's adios, OLE....

How do you figure?  Opendoc at the very least was going to be put on AIX, there
was no question about that from the beginning.  How does that mean OLE is dead?

Quote:>[ps. I am told be a knowledgable developer that IBM has dropped the CHRP port
>of OS/2 -- is this true?  I would prefer to think this meant IBM was dropping
>OS/2, and not the PPC... :) ]

A developer told you that?  Who did that developer develop for?
IBM has said that they weren't releasing another version of OS/2 for PPC this
year, never said they were dropping it.  OS/2 for Intel is certainly not going
anywhere, it is stomping NT and it would be foolish to pull the plug on it.
IBM *does* seem to be reorganizing their PPC efforts, they stopping production
on the PPC 830 and 850 machines.  They might just be doing that because they
are going to start pushing chrp machines though.
 
 
 

Ratings: Bill Gates on MSN vs. Michael Jackson on AOL

Post by elar.. » Mon, 11 Mar 1996 04:00:00



Quote:>Curious -- just how many patents does MS have ?

=======

I seem to recall that MS said they had 5 or 6 patents for one recent year
(I want to say '94).  

IBM is somewhere in the top 3 for patents (I believe Japanese companies
hold the top spots, but patents in Japan are granted for changes that
are deemed to slight for the US patent office).

Eric Larson

 
 
 

Ratings: Bill Gates on MSN vs. Michael Jackson on AOL

Post by Arun Gup » Mon, 11 Mar 1996 04:00:00



>Rest assured, that MS is hiring lawyers to look for algorithms
>to hoard for themselves, and that software progress will be
>stifled by programmers having to do patent searches for the
>dozens of algorithms they use in your basic computer program.

Curious -- just how many patents does MS have ?

-arun gupta

 
 
 

Ratings: Bill Gates on MSN vs. Michael Jackson on AOL

Post by John Lo » Tue, 12 Mar 1996 04:00:00





>> When big companies like IBM or MS come along, with their lawyers,
>> and pick apart your code and mine, they find algorithms up the
>> yin-yang. If those algorithms are patented, they sue. If they
>> aren't, they file for a patent and sue.

>Once something's been published, you can't file for a patent on it.

Right, although I think there's a 1 or 3 year window of opportunity
to file.

I'm more concerned of the reverse. You develop an algorithm during
the course of writing a program, only to find out it's patented.

Big companies can afford to hire legions of programmers to both
spin off variations of predictably useful algorithms, and to reverse
engineer existing programs looking for infringements which are no
more than coincidental.

I have a generally philosophical viewpoint on this. There are many
useful inventions that are unavailable to people who might need
them, and are able to produce the object on their own. I ran into
this when I was in farming, and showed one of "my" inventions to
a neighbor, who was afraid to build one of his own, thinking that
it "might" be patented. It seemed to me at the time that I had
some "right" to make one for myself, as long as 1) there was no
other way to get one, and 2) I didn't compete with the inventor
for a market.

I also think the public good should be taken into account, that
if some invention would serve a "great good", that the inventor's
rights should not extend so far as to deny the use. IOW, an
inventor should have rights to reasonable royalties, but not to
deny others from using something, just because he and his lawyers
were the first in line for the award.

But that's just my opinion on what's right, which often differs
from what's legal.

 
 
 

Ratings: Bill Gates on MSN vs. Michael Jackson on AOL

Post by 'Big Juan' M. Raleig » Tue, 12 Mar 1996 04:00:00



Quote:> The thing is, Microsoft does software only, and IBM does both hardware
> and software. The granting of patents to software is very controversial,

The granting of patents to M$ is very controversial, since they have not
made any innovations on their own.  Anything M$ did that seemed original
was done by some other company contracting for them.  DEC people made
NT.  IBM people made DOS and OS/2.  The list goes on. . .  In other
words, M$ doesn't deserve a patent for anything it has done anyway.
 
 
 

Ratings: Bill Gates on MSN vs. Michael Jackson on AOL

Post by Ian S. Nels » Tue, 12 Mar 1996 04:00:00




>>I think you had better go back and check the sales figures for
>>the last six months if you believe OS/2/Warp/Merlin is stomping NT.
>==========

>Interesting.  OS/2 sold more copies in December, than NT has
>in it's entire existence.  

>>NT has outsold OS/2 for the last seven months according to
>>Dataquest's figures.  
>Hmm, guess this means that Dataquest is wrong, as it seems
>pretty hard for NT to outsell OS/2 when OS/2 outsells NT.

I seem to remember Dataquest saying that IBM was going to kill OS/2 last year..
 
 
 

Ratings: Bill Gates on MSN vs. Michael Jackson on AOL

Post by John Lo » Thu, 14 Mar 1996 04:00:00






>> I'm more concerned of the reverse. You develop an algorithm during
>> the course of writing a program, only to find out it's patented.

>Then you're SOL. Once someone patents it, you can't use it (unless you
>challenge the patent and win).

I'll be damned if I have the time, money or desire to run to the
patent office every time I create an algorithm, just to make sure
somebody else didn't already patent it. I don't want to bother
taking out a patent on each of the many algorithms I write in the
process of creating a program, either.

Quote:

>> I also think the public good should be taken into account, that
>> if some invention would serve a "great good", that the inventor's
>> rights should not extend so far as to deny the use. IOW, an
>> inventor should have rights to reasonable royalties, but not to
>> deny others from using something, just because he and his lawyers
>> were the first in line for the award.

>I disagree. My company spends 7-9% of revenues on R&D. If someone else

You don't think the public interest should be taken into account?

Quote:>could just use our inventions, it would destroy our competitiveness. We
>would spend the money, but they would be able to sell it cheaper because
>they don't spend money on R&D. Even if they give us a royalty, it would
>not reimburse us for our expenditures or the risk that we'll spend all
>this money and not achieve anything useful.

What if it did reimburse you (as it should).

Quote:

>Our current situation works very well. Patents are useful and are
>necessary for companies to invest heavily in research.

Sure, but I think the system can and should be improved. There are
many cases where it would behoove a company to keep something off
the market. Something that could save lives, but darn it, the company
would make more profit by selling the old technology.

For an urban legend example, the oil company that invents some device
that lets cars get a zillion miles per gallon. They *have* to find
those things, patent them, and keep them off the market.

Or perhaps a drug that can cure a dread disease for pennies, when
a more expensive, more profitable drug is already on their list of
patents.

In fact, the patent office does take the public good into account
when it comes to "national defense" (read "weapons), in which case
the patent is sequestered, and can be taken by emminent domain just
like any other property - with due compensation.

I realize the importance of profits and R+D investment, and of course
that's the reason for patents in the first place.

What I don't think is right is for a patent holder to keep something
from being used by someone who -by coincidence- discovers the same
thing on his own.

I don't think *absolute* ownership is always right.

 
 
 

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Post by David LeBla » Thu, 14 Mar 1996 04:00:00



>Watch out for the Winvocates now starting another redefinition game, like
>"NT outsells OS/2 in high-end application-server OpenGL Unicode journalling
>security business!"

How about NT Server outsold LS in 1995?  Source - IDC - see
www.idcresearch.com for details.  By about 80k units as I recall.

I wonder what 1996 will bring?

David LeBlanc

Happily running NT 4.0 and Linux

 
 
 

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Post by Jonathan W. Hendr » Thu, 14 Mar 1996 04:00:00




>I disagree. My company spends 7-9% of revenues on R&D. If someone else
>could just use our inventions, it would destroy our competitiveness. We
>would spend the money, but they would be able to sell it cheaper because
>they don't spend money on R&D. Even if they give us a royalty, it would
>not reimburse us for our expenditures or the risk that we'll spend all
>this money and not achieve anything useful.

If you invent something truely and radically new, then sure, there
should be some protection. This is pretty rare, though, in software.
A lot of the 'inventions' seem to come from someone looking at what's
gone before, saying 'what if I add this over here...' and then spending
some time implementing that enhancement. Any advancement in software
incorporates vast amounts of prior art. If your company demands payment
for the use of your inventions, how can you justify not reimbursing
those whose work you are basing your own inventions on? Granted, there
may not be a legal obligation, but perhaps it's an ethical issue.

What is the value of your invention, once you factor out all the
non-patented work that it may be based on? Would it even have been
possible? Surely the cost of your R&D would have been far, far higher
if you had not been able to use the non-patented work as a foundation for
your own.

This highlights another problem. A large body of work is accessible
to every programmer. Everyone has a common foundation from which they
can start. If two people start in the same place, and are looking
for the same result, isn't it likely that they will wind up in the
same place, totally independantly? Yes, it is quite likely. The cost for
me to arrive at that solution may be the same as it is for you. Should
I be disallowed from using something I invented myself, because you
invented it also but happened to patent it first? Since I invented
it independently, shouldn't I be allowed protection? While your
R&D costs are 'protected', mine are forfeit, simply due to a matter
of timing (and perhaps money). I'm not sure I like the idea of paying
someone for research they didn't do.

 
 
 

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Post by Jim Jawors » Thu, 14 Mar 1996 04:00:00




: >[ps. I am told be a knowledgable developer that IBM has dropped the CHRP port
: >of OS/2 -- is this true?  I would prefer to think this meant IBM was dropping
: >OS/2, and not the PPC... :) ]

: A developer told you that?  Who did that developer develop for?

        Yeah, you know those "knowledgeable developer" type guys --
almost God-like. <g>

: OS/2 for Intel is certainly not going anywhere,

        For a second there I couldn't stop laughing when I read this.  
This is the kinda stuff where the "OS/2 is dead" rumors come from.  I
just love this .advocacy stuff -- sometimes it's funnier than Jay Leno
and/or David Letterman.

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Bill Gates of Microsoft and Michael Dell of Dell Computers Inc.,both
of them are highly successful on their own rights in their respective
area of expertise. There are lot of parallels between these two
outstanding men -- One began out of his college at Texas while the other
from Harvard.

      Which of the two is smarter given the following criteria of
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