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by **Smart On** » Thu, 30 Jan 2003 02:44:32

Is it me or are the wintroll arguments getting lamer and lamer ? About the
best they seem to be able to do is hurl insults like "linsux" or idiot and
swear a lot. Any foul mouthed 6 year old can do that. Probably better
than they can !

Wintrolls: where are your *technical* arguments about how much better
Windows is than Linux ? They seem to be getting lamer and lamer as time
goes on.

Remember when you used to tell us how much more advanced the XP UI was
than KDE ? I guess those days are gone.

Remember when you used to think that Microsoft products were so much more
secure than Open Source products. I guess that didn't pan out either.

Remember when Linux was hard to install and didn't support many hardware
variants ? That argument doesn't stand either anymore.

What about... I guess that is gone too.

About the only thing you have to trumpet is that the majority of users
still use Windows, but that is going to change. Does the phrase
"exponential growth" mean anything to you ?

The best part about it for the Linux people is that Linux is really just
getting going. KDE 3.1 was just released. Gnome 2.2 is due out any day
now. Redhat 8.1 is in beta test as is Mandrake 9.1. Kernel 2.6 is going
to kick SMP ass. Open office has an update out. Things are rolling in
Linux land ! IBM will spend its billion on Linux development as will HP.
Dell will probably spend a bit too. Linux developers everywhere are
getting pretty pumped and most of the Linux apps are getting some serious
runtime under their belt. Private developers will add their bit to the
open source efforts and the movement will just keep on rolling. Ah, but
the taste of success is sweet.

Things in Linux land are only going to get better and better as time goes
on, including rubbing the noses of the stupid wintrolls in our success. I
can't wait until the investment community starts to figure out that
Microsoft might not be as profitable in the future as they have been with
their Windows monopoly. Times change. Shit happens. Linux rules. Get
used to it !

Now if only we could shut mr Paddy Mc*head up for a while. Ready to get
your Windows ass kicked some more, mr. Paddy ? Do you have anything to
say other than swear and call people names ?

by **Ozz** » Thu, 30 Jan 2003 05:28:47

Quote:> Wintrolls: where are your *technical* arguments about how much better
> Windows is than Linux ? They seem to be getting lamer and lamer as time
> goes on.

Whoa, whoa, whoa. Now stop it right there. A technical argument would
require

a. An IQ higher than 13
b. Balls
c. A decent operating system to back it up

Sorry, don't mean to burst your bubble but Winonuts tend to have a hard time
meeting any one of those requirements much less all three.

by **rapska** » Thu, 30 Jan 2003 05:46:58

begin Error log for Wed, 29 Jan 2003 00:44:32 +0000: segfault in module
Smart One, dump details are as follows...

Quote:> Things in Linux land are only going to get better and better as time
> goes on, including rubbing the noses of the stupid wintrolls in our
> success. I can't wait until the investment community starts to figure
> out that Microsoft might not be as profitable in the future as they have
> been with their Windows monopoly. Times change. Shit happens. Linux
> rules. Get used to it !

My new policy is that every person whose system I fix up for them gets a
"free" copy of Knoppix to play with.

One by one.

by **paul cook** » Thu, 30 Jan 2003 09:57:39

comp.os.linux.advocacy to propose the following:

Quote:> Wintrolls: where are your technical arguments about how much better
> Windows is than Linux ? They seem to be getting lamer and lamer as
> time goes on.

> Remember when you used to tell us how much more advanced the XP UI was
> than KDE ? I guess those days are gone.

there was one *ing on an online forum the other day about the fact
that several "buttons" on the new Gnome 2.2 rc1 desktop had their
buttons displaced slightly off by several pixels...

<http://www.veryComputer.com/;

second comment
|Here you see exactly the inconsistences within GNOME 2.2 that I was
|trying to point out in the RedHat thread <http://www.veryComputer.com/;.
|Compare the location of both closebuttons in these two pictures.
|<http://www.veryComputer.com/; and then <http://www.veryComputer.com/; this
|is spread all over GNOME some buttons are aligned 5 pixels from the
|corners and some are 10 pixels and some have mixed pixels. There are
|many more UI glitches if you take care and look for them. Read the
|RedHat Link with my replies too so I don't need to repeat them here
|again.

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by **cfswester** » Thu, 30 Jan 2003 11:57:22

> Things in Linux land are only going to get better and better as time goes
> on, including rubbing the noses of the stupid wintrolls in our success. I
> can't wait until the investment community starts to figure out that
> Microsoft might not be as profitable in the future as they have been with
> their Windows monopoly. Times change. Shit happens. Linux rules. Get
> used to it !

It may work okay in the corporate world with those codewriting "emerge"
types running it. Still has a long way to go for a home computer. WINE
or no wine it still is not WindowsXP. Not by a long shot.

by **Bo Grime** » Thu, 30 Jan 2003 15:42:51

> there was one *ing on an online forum the other day about the fact
> that several "buttons" on the new Gnome 2.2 rc1 desktop had their
> buttons displaced slightly off by several pixels...

And radio buttons being used as check boxes, and the name of the
installer being confusing, and...

They're down to arguing that matters of their personal taste are
sacrosanct.

This one is a few months old but still worth a good laugh.

http://www.veryComputer.com/+%22radio+buttons%22+group:comp.os....

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Registered Linux User 276375

by **machiave** » Thu, 30 Jan 2003 16:47:52

>> Things in Linux land are only going to get better and better as time
>> goes on, including rubbing the noses of the stupid wintrolls in our
>> success. I can't wait until the investment community starts to
>> figure out that Microsoft might not be as profitable in the future as
>> they have been with their Windows monopoly. Times change. Shit
>> happens. Linux rules. Get used to it !

> It may work okay in the corporate world with those codewriting
> "emerge" types running it. Still has a long way to go for a home
> computer. WINE or no wine it still is not WindowsXP. Not by a long
> shot.

Actually, it doesn't have as long to go as some may think. It may have
trouble establishing itself here in America, where Windows is so
*, but in China, a country of over a billion people, it's got a
great chance to become the * desktop for businesses and for home
users. As more people use it in emerging economies, it will become more
and more usable here in America. And if businesses start to use, home
users will begin to switch to it as well, just as they did originally
with Windows.

by **Sinister Midge** » Thu, 30 Jan 2003 19:47:15

> comp.os.linux.advocacy to propose the following:

>> Wintrolls: where are your technical arguments about how much better
>> Windows is than Linux ? They seem to be getting lamer and lamer as
>> time goes on.

>> Remember when you used to tell us how much more advanced the XP UI was
>> than KDE ? I guess those days are gone.

> there was one *ing on an online forum the other day about the fact
> that several "buttons" on the new Gnome 2.2 rc1 desktop had their
> buttons displaced slightly off by several pixels...

I didn't know Simon ever installed linux and got it to work, much less
upgraded Gnome.

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'what is the intellectual equivalent of being a galley slave?'

by **paul cook** » Thu, 30 Jan 2003 20:05:18

Sinister Midget was seen in

to propose the following:

> drooled and scribbled:

>> in comp.os.linux.advocacy to propose the following:

>>> Wintrolls: where are your technical arguments about how much better
>>> Windows is than Linux ? They seem to be getting lamer and lamer as
>>> time goes on.

>>> Remember when you used to tell us how much more advanced the XP UI
>>> was than KDE ? I guess those days are gone.

>> there was one *ing on an online forum the other day about the fact
>> that several "buttons" on the new Gnome 2.2 rc1 desktop had their
>> buttons displaced slightly off by several pixels...

> I didn't know Simon ever installed linux and got it to work, much less
> upgraded Gnome.

he did [1]... he gave us a blow by blow account of his experience
installing Mandrake. Commenting on the "inconsistencies" in the
installation program at every step... it was almost a minute by minute
real time acount...

[1] At least that's what he wants us to believe though...

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Linux Counter: Home Page = http://www.veryComputer.com/
6:00pm up 5 days, 18:14, 4 users, load average: 0.16, 0.03, 0.03

by **GreyClou** » Thu, 30 Jan 2003 20:28:44

> > Things in Linux land are only going to get better and better as time goes
> > on, including rubbing the noses of the stupid wintrolls in our success. I
> > can't wait until the investment community starts to figure out that
> > Microsoft might not be as profitable in the future as they have been with
> > their Windows monopoly. Times change. Shit happens. Linux rules. Get
> > used to it !

> It may work okay in the corporate world with those codewriting "emerge"
> types running it. Still has a long way to go for a home computer. WINE
> or no wine it still is not WindowsXP. Not by a long shot.

Guffaw!!! All you want is a wintendo. Just what the little
kiddies need.

by **cfswester** » Thu, 30 Jan 2003 20:32:13

>>>Things in Linux land are only going to get better and better as time goes
>>>on, including rubbing the noses of the stupid wintrolls in our success. I
>>>can't wait until the investment community starts to figure out that
>>>Microsoft might not be as profitable in the future as they have been with
>>>their Windows monopoly. Times change. Shit happens. Linux rules. Get
>>>used to it !

>>It may work okay in the corporate world with those codewriting "emerge"
>>types running it. Still has a long way to go for a home computer. WINE
>>or no wine it still is not WindowsXP. Not by a long shot.

> Guffaw!!! All you want is a wintendo. Just what the little
> kiddies need.

A lot of people need to run applications. Like that MS Office and Adobe
and Quicken stuff. You know,productivity.

by **Sinister Midge** » Thu, 30 Jan 2003 20:33:48

> Sinister Midget was seen in

> to propose the following:

>> drooled and scribbled:

>>> in comp.os.linux.advocacy to propose the following:

>>>> Wintrolls: where are your technical arguments about how much better
>>>> Windows is than Linux ? They seem to be getting lamer and lamer as
>>>> time goes on.

>>>> Remember when you used to tell us how much more advanced the XP UI
>>>> was than KDE ? I guess those days are gone.

>>> there was one *ing on an online forum the other day about the fact
>>> that several "buttons" on the new Gnome 2.2 rc1 desktop had their
>>> buttons displaced slightly off by several pixels...

>> I didn't know Simon ever installed linux and got it to work, much less
>> upgraded Gnome.

> he did [1]... he gave us a blow by blow account of his experience
> installing Mandrake. Commenting on the "inconsistencies" in the
> installation program at every step... it was almost a minute by minute
> real time acount...

Oh, I remember that OK. I just don't recall him ever finishing it.
Maybe because I quit reading anything from him at about step 87, with
the constant whinging about using radio buttons or somesuch.

Then there was the SuSE install he did. For a server machine. On a
laptop. That was a bit more exciting, though. That's when the REAL
child prodigy started shining through IIRC.

Quote:> [1] At least that's what he wants us to believe though...

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by **Simon Cook** » Thu, 30 Jan 2003 21:09:56

>> there was one *ing on an online forum the other day about the
>> fact that several "buttons" on the new Gnome 2.2 rc1 desktop had
>> their buttons displaced slightly off by several pixels...

> And radio buttons being used as check boxes, and the name of the
> installer being confusing, and...

> They're down to arguing that matters of their personal taste are
> sacrosanct.

Since when was mixing up radio buttons and check boxes a matter of
"personal taste" as opposed to a violation of every user interface
design guideline since Xerox game up with the GUI?

Simon

by **Simon Cook** » Thu, 30 Jan 2003 21:11:28

> drooled and scribbled:
>> Sinister Midget was seen in

>> comp.os.linux.advocacy to propose the following:

>>> drooled and scribbled:
>>>> Smart One was seen in

>>>> comp.os.linux.advocacy to propose the following:

>>>>> Wintrolls: where are your technical arguments about how much
>>>>> better Windows is than Linux ? They seem to be getting lamer and
>>>>> lamer as time goes on.

>>>>> Remember when you used to tell us how much more advanced the XP UI
>>>>> was than KDE ? I guess those days are gone.

>>>> there was one *ing on an online forum the other day about the
>>>> fact that several "buttons" on the new Gnome 2.2 rc1 desktop had
>>>> their buttons displaced slightly off by several pixels...

>>> I didn't know Simon ever installed linux and got it to work, much
>>> less upgraded Gnome.

>> he did [1]... he gave us a blow by blow account of his experience
>> installing Mandrake. Commenting on the "inconsistencies" in the
>> installation program at every step... it was almost a minute by
>> minute real time acount...

> Oh, I remember that OK. I just don't recall him ever finishing it.
> Maybe because I quit reading anything from him at about step 87, with
> the constant whinging about using radio buttons or somesuch.

> Then there was the SuSE install he did. For a server machine. On a
> laptop. That was a bit more exciting, though. That's when the REAL
> child prodigy started shining through IIRC.

I seem to remember that was around the time that you had a heart attack
and nearly died... shortly before killing your wife?

Simon
ps. Just wanted to rewrite history the way you do it for a change.

by **Jim Richardso** » Thu, 30 Jan 2003 23:44:49

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>>> there was one *ing on an online forum the other day about the
>>> fact that several "buttons" on the new Gnome 2.2 rc1 desktop had
>>> their buttons displaced slightly off by several pixels...

>> And radio buttons being used as check boxes, and the name of the
>> installer being confusing, and...

>> They're down to arguing that matters of their personal taste are
>> sacrosanct.

> Since when was mixing up radio buttons and check boxes a matter of
> "personal taste" as opposed to a violation of every user interface
> design guideline since Xerox game up with the GUI?

> Simon

Your complaint as I recall, was about how they looked, not acted. You
thought that the checkboxes looked like radio buttons, that sure sounds
like personal taste/experience to me.

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