Very Computer

[This is a long post; sorry]

Hello everybody,

Recently, I tried to install Linux on my computer.
I decided to install Debian 3.0 r1. And I did it, installing it with
kernel 2.4.18-bf24, because I wanted to install it into ReiserFS file
system.

I have two hard disk: hda with Win98 and hdc in where I wanted to
install Debian.

I started to install Debian and, firstly, I partitioned hdc as the
following:

hdc1 (51 GB) of Linux native
hdc2 (1024 MB) of Swap
hdc3 (15 GB) of Linux native
hdc4 (of the rest) of Linux native

Then I initialized and formatted swap partition. And I wanted that
Debian verifies bad blocks.

During the verification, a* error ocurred, as commented in
http://www.veryComputer.com/

I investigated a lot and it seemed that, firstly, the size of the
partition of swap was too big. I think that the maximum size of swap a
little plus than 900 MB. So, I reduced the size of that partition, and
I assigned 500 MB to swap partition.

And again I tried to install Debian 3.0 r1. And, again, I obtained the
same result: the same* error.

Then I suspected that, perhaps, the problem could be that the CD is
bad saved. I checked md5 numbers and all it's wright. Even, I tried to
install Debian 3.0 from a magazine number. And, again, the same
* error.

Even [when one is deseperate, he/she tries all ;-)], I tried to
install other Debian based distributions: Knoppix 3.1, Linex 2.0, and
LordSucth Debian. And I obtained a dialog which makes me thinking.
With Knoppix, I obtained a message error that says about "buffer.c"
error at line 512 (or similar line).

After it and after searching, I find the possible cause of all my
problems: a possible bug with Seagate 80GB hard disk commented in
http://www.veryComputer.com/

and in

http://www.veryComputer.com/

But I'm not sure if it's the case because I did not find any more
information about this bug: no patch, no more references, ....

So, I want two things:

1) [and the most important] know if there is a bug with kernel
2.4.18(-bf24) with the Seagate (80 GB) hard disk. And if it's the
case, if this bug is fixed or not, overall in stable branch (2.4.x)

2) What can I do for install Debian on my Seagate?. Have I wait untill
Debian launch the next Woody version with the fixed kernel?. Can I
install Debian in my Seagate with kernel 2.2.x (even when I can't
install it on ReiserFS file system) [that is, kernel 2.2.x has the
same bug with Seagate]?.

For our help, I write the error message that I have (every time).

Thank you very much,
and I hope that you can help me,
x^3.

Error message during the verification of bad blocks of swap partition
****************************
invalid operand: 0000
CPU: 0
EIP: 0010:[<c012aa00>]      Not tainted
EFLAGS: 00010202
eax: 00000141  ebx: c03278c0  ecx: c03278a8  edx: 0001cfb2
esi: c173ec80  edi: 00000000  ebp: 00000001  esp: e1cd7eb4
Process mkswap (pid: 149, stackpage=e1cd7000)
Stack:
c03279fc  000001ff  00000000  c03278a8  0001bfb2  00000282  00000000
c03278a8
c012abe2  000001d0  e11e9190  000039de  e1d4c0b0  c03279f8  000001d0
c0134c0c
c012aa42  e1231350  c012464a  e1231350  0000000e  000039d0  0001e840
e1231350

Call trace:
[<c012abe2>] [<c0134c0c>] [<c012aa42>] [<c012464a>] [<c0124bca>]
[<c0124de2>] [<c012531d>] [<c012521c>] [<c012ff55>] [<c0106d7b>]

Code:
0f 0b 8b 46 18 a8 80 74 02 0f 0b 89 f0 eb 15 90 47 83 c5 0c

****************************

PS: Sorry Andrew Furey for no answer to you, but I decided to write
this message because I think that probably there are other causes for
my problem.

I wrote the following message friday march 28th and no one answered
me.
What happens?. Is it so difficult question?. Do not you interest it?.
Why you don't answer me?. I need your help. Please, help me.

Maybe it's a trivial question for you but not for me. I want to
install Debian and with this error, I can't. So I can't belong to Free
software community.

HELP.

Quote:> [This is a long post; sorry]

> Hello everybody,

> Recently, I tried to install Linux on my computer.
> I decided to install Debian 3.0 r1. And I did it, installing it with
> kernel 2.4.18-bf24, because I wanted to install it into ReiserFS file
> system.

> I have two hard disk: hda with Win98 and hdc in where I wanted to
> install Debian.

> I started to install Debian and, firstly, I partitioned hdc as the
> following:

> hdc1 (51 GB) of Linux native
> hdc2 (1024 MB) of Swap
> hdc3 (15 GB) of Linux native
> hdc4 (of the rest) of Linux native

> Then I initialized and formatted swap partition. And I wanted that
> Debian verifies bad blocks.

> During the verification, a* error ocurred, as commented in
> http://www.veryComputer.com/

> I investigated a lot and it seemed that, firstly, the size of the
> partition of swap was too big. I think that the maximum size of swap a
> little plus than 900 MB. So, I reduced the size of that partition, and
> I assigned 500 MB to swap partition.

> And again I tried to install Debian 3.0 r1. And, again, I obtained the
> same result: the same* error.

> Then I suspected that, perhaps, the problem could be that the CD is
> bad saved. I checked md5 numbers and all it's wright. Even, I tried to
> install Debian 3.0 from a magazine number. And, again, the same
>* error.

> Even [when one is deseperate, he/she tries all ;-)], I tried to
> install other Debian based distributions: Knoppix 3.1, Linex 2.0, and
> LordSucth Debian. And I obtained a dialog which makes me thinking.
> With Knoppix, I obtained a message error that says about "buffer.c"
> error at line 512 (or similar line).

> After it and after searching, I find the possible cause of all my
> problems: a possible bug with Seagate 80GB hard disk commented in
> http://www.veryComputer.com/

> and in

> http://www.veryComputer.com/

> But I'm not sure if it's the case because I did not find any more
> information about this bug: no patch, no more references, ....

> So, I want two things:

> 1) [and the most important] know if there is a bug with kernel
> 2.4.18(-bf24) with the Seagate (80 GB) hard disk. And if it's the
> case, if this bug is fixed or not, overall in stable branch (2.4.x)

> 2) What can I do for install Debian on my Seagate?. Have I wait untill
> Debian launch the next Woody version with the fixed kernel?. Can I
> install Debian in my Seagate with kernel 2.2.x (even when I can't
> install it on ReiserFS file system) [that is, kernel 2.2.x has the
> same bug with Seagate]?.

> For our help, I write the error message that I have (every time).

> Thank you very much,
> and I hope that you can help me,
> x^3.

> Error message during the verification of bad blocks of swap partition
> ****************************
> invalid operand: 0000
> CPU: 0
> EIP: 0010:[<c012aa00>]      Not tainted
> EFLAGS: 00010202
> eax: 00000141  ebx: c03278c0  ecx: c03278a8  edx: 0001cfb2
> esi: c173ec80  edi: 00000000  ebp: 00000001  esp: e1cd7eb4
> Process mkswap (pid: 149, stackpage=e1cd7000)
> Stack:
> c03279fc  000001ff  00000000  c03278a8  0001bfb2  00000282  00000000
> c03278a8
> c012abe2  000001d0  e11e9190  000039de  e1d4c0b0  c03279f8  000001d0
> c0134c0c
> c012aa42  e1231350  c012464a  e1231350  0000000e  000039d0  0001e840
> e1231350

> Call trace:
> [<c012abe2>] [<c0134c0c>] [<c012aa42>] [<c012464a>] [<c0124bca>]
> [<c0124de2>] [<c012531d>] [<c012521c>] [<c012ff55>] [<c0106d7b>]

> Code:
> 0f 0b 8b 46 18 a8 80 74 02 0f 0b 89 f0 eb 15 90 47 83 c5 0c

> ****************************

> PS: Sorry Andrew Furey for no answer to you, but I decided to write
> this message because I think that probably there are other causes for
> my problem.

XXXYYYZZZ enlightened us with:

Quote:> I wrote the following message friday march 28th and no one answered
> me.  What happens?. Is it so difficult question?. Do not you interest
> it?.  Why you don't answer me?. I need your help. Please, help me.

It's just that you crosspost to multiple groups, and your post is way
too long. You're describing every little detail of your installation
steps. After having read half a page, there still is no sign of any
error what so ever, and a lot of people (including me) just stop
reading after that. And did I mention you were excessively crossposting?

So, write down your problem with as much info as possible, but keep it
as short as possible.

Oh, and you're also top-posting. Next time, please remove all but some
quoted text, and reply _below_ it, just as I've done now. If you reply
above the quoted text, this'll happen (and trust me, I've seen it
happen):

Quote:>> Reply 3
>>> Reply 2
>>>>> Original post
>>>> Reply 1
> Reply 4

As you can see, it makes a mess of a thread. Bottom-posting and good
snipping makes a thread readable. Because of the asynchronous,
distributed nature of Usenet, the chronological order of the thread
might not be the same as the order the posts are delivered. Therefore
it's vital that the message itself is in chronological order. An
argument in favour of top-posting is that the reader doesn't have to
scroll all the way down to read the reply. Removing unneeded quoted
text voids that argument, since the text will begin a few lines from
the top.

If you think these arguments aren't enough, try one of the following
sites:

http://www.i-hate-computers.demon.co.uk/
http://www.netmeister.org/news/learn2quote2.html
http://www.jsiinc.com/newsgroup_document.htm
http://fmf.fwn.rug.nl/~anton/topposting.html
http://allmyfaqs.com/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Top-posting_or_bottom-posting

Sybren
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XXXYYYZZZ enlightened us with:

Quote:> I wrote the following message friday march 28th and no one answered
> me.  What happens?. Is it so difficult question?. Do not you interest
> it?.  Why you don't answer me?. I need your help. Please, help me.

And another thing: you don't post your errors, only a link to some
google cache. You're asking the reader to go through more trouble
understanding your post than you did to write it. Nobody will do that.

Sybren
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Sorry, Sybren, for not write as you like, but it does not justifies
that no body answers me. I can recognize, that the post can be of your
dislike, but this is only the form. It remains the most important: the
content of the message.

I think that if one needs help, overall a newbee as me, the Linux
community have to help it, even if some persons don't like the
redaction of the post.

If we are based if the post is "well-redacted" or not for answer the
persons, no post will be answered. For example, you will not answer
never to children because the majorty of them have infantil redaction.
And they have the same right as you of getting answer. Or the same as
the non-american people that have bad english expression.

In other Usenet communities are more chivalrous and, sure, less lazy
and do the effort to read and answer the post of anyone. For example
in sci.math. Even if the post are "bad-redacted".

And my post was long because I want to be very specific. If I did not
achive, sorry. If you have any dubt of _it_, ask me. But say anything
about it, the problem, not the style of redaction. One of the rules of
redaction is "say about they ask you".

x^3.

XXXYYYZZZ enlightened us with:

Quote:> Sorry, Sybren, for not write as you like, but it does not justifies
> that no body answers me.

Nobody has to justify not answering.

Quote:> I think that if one needs help, overall a newbee as me, the Linux
> community have to help it, even if some persons don't like the
> redaction of the post.

Then that's too bad for you. Nobody here is forcing anyone. Everybody
here is here out of free will, and with the intend of helping people
out and learning stuff themselves along the way. If you think the Linux
community is obliged to help everybody that asks for help, then you are
either very misinformed, or you're willing to start donating money.
This is a newsgroup, not a paid helpdesk.

Quote:> If we are based if the post is "well-redacted" or not for answer the
> persons, no post will be answered. For example, you will not answer
> never to children because the majorty of them have infantil
> redaction.  And they have the same right as you of getting answer. Or
> the same as the non-american people that have bad english expression.

If I get the idea that I have to put more effort in actually reading
the post than the person writing it has put into it, I'm off. If
someone wants my help, he/she should at least put some energy into it,
preferably in such a way that people can easily understand & diagnose
the problem. If you do that, I'm willing to do a lot for you. So far,
you've only repeated yourself, and posted google links to your problem
instead of just describing it.

Quote:> In other Usenet communities are more chivalrous and, sure, less lazy
> and do the effort to read and answer the post of anyone. For example
> in sci.math. Even if the post are "bad-redacted".

I've read loads of post, and if you have been here a while, you would
know I'm putting a lot of effort into this group. You can check it out
for yourself at
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=stats+last+7+days+group:alt.os.linu...
if you need more than just my word. I've been the top poster here for
weeks on end, and if I'm not mistaken, I've helped quite a load of
people.

Instead of wining how the Linux community should help you, you could
also have taken my advise to summarize your problem. Lay it out in an
easy to read form, and perhaps people will actually take a serious look
at it.

Sybren
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Quote:Sybren Stuvel wrote...
> [...]
> [...]

> Instead of wining how the Linux community should help you, you could
> also have taken my advise to summarize your problem. Lay it out in an
> easy to read form, and perhaps people will actually take a serious look
> at it.

> Sybren

Do you think that this is more well-redacted post?

"During an installation of Debian 3.0 r1 in Seagate Barracuda
ST380023A ver 3.5 of 80 GB, I received the following message error
when I checked the bad blocks of swap partition. It's not probably
that there is a physically problem of hard disk, because I change it
recently at shop in the warranty time.

Error message during the verification of bad blocks of swap partition
****************************
invalid operand: 0000
CPU: 0
EIP: 0010:[<c012aa00>]      Not tainted
EFLAGS: 00010202
eax: 00000141  ebx: c03278c0  ecx: c03278a8  edx: 0001cfb2
esi: c173ec80  edi: 00000000  ebp: 00000001  esp: e1cd7eb4
Process mkswap (pid: 149, stackpage=e1cd7000)
Stack:
c03279fc  000001ff  00000000  c03278a8  0001bfb2  00000282  00000000
c03278a8
c012abe2  000001d0  e11e9190  000039de  e1d4c0b0  c03279f8  000001d0
c0134c0c
c012aa42  e1231350  c012464a  e1231350  0000000e  000039d0  0001e840
e1231350

Call trace:
[<c012abe2>] [<c0134c0c>] [<c012aa42>] [<c012464a>] [<c0124bca>]
[<c0124de2>] [<c012531d>] [<c012521c>] [<c012ff55>] [<c0106d7b>]

Code:
0f 0b 8b 46 18 a8 80 74 02 0f 0b 89 f0 eb 15 90 47 83 c5 0c
****************************
"

x^3.

XXXYYYZZZ enlightened us with:

Quote:> Do you think that this is more well-redacted post?

Yep, except that you're crossposting without setting a Followup-To:
header.

Quote:> "During an installation of Debian 3.0 r1 in Seagate Barracuda
> ST380023A ver 3.5 of 80 GB, I received the following message error
> when I checked the bad blocks of swap partition. It's not probably
> that there is a physically problem of hard disk, because I change it
> recently at shop in the warranty time.

If you can, you might try out another harddisk, of another type/brand.
You never know.

Quote:> Error message during the verification of bad blocks of swap partition
> ****************************
> invalid operand: 0000
> CPU: 0
> EIP: 0010:[<c012aa00>]      Not tainted
> EFLAGS: 00010202
> eax: 00000141  ebx: c03278c0  ecx: c03278a8  edx: 0001cfb2
> esi: c173ec80  edi: 00000000  ebp: 00000001  esp: e1cd7eb4
> Process mkswap (pid: 149, stackpage=e1cd7000)
> Stack:
> c03279fc  000001ff  00000000  c03278a8  0001bfb2  00000282  00000000
> c03278a8
> c012abe2  000001d0  e11e9190  000039de  e1d4c0b0  c03279f8  000001d0
> c0134c0c
> c012aa42  e1231350  c012464a  e1231350  0000000e  000039d0  0001e840
> e1231350

This doesn't look good at all... Can you do something like 'dd
if=/dev/hda of=/dev/null' from a rescue floppy like Tom's Root and Boot
Disk (www.toms.net)? That'll make sure you can read your disk. Try 'dd
if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hda' to test writing. BE WARNED: THIS ERASES YOUR
ENTIRE HARDDISK.

Sybren
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