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Chris...

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How many people are obsessed enough with Don to post this sort
of message?

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        While guys like "Gary" are why the Megan Law was passed.

                        Yours in Christ,
                              Don

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As much as Gary talks about killfiles, he doesn't seem to be able to
get one to work.  He keeps claiming to have killfiled people, then
allows himself to be taunted into replying ... which he couldn't do
if he had truly killfiled the person.

Quote:>         While guys like "Gary" are why the Megan Law was passed.

In Gary's case it should be called "Rachael's Law".

Fortunately, Gary's victim is the only one who hasn't been forced to
leave town.  The girl's mother, who was Gary's fiancee at the time,
has moved to Dayton, OH.  Gary moved to NC to get out of registering
as a sex offender, which he'd have to do if he remained in CA.

With the glass house that Gary lives in, still being on probation
for child molestation, he can ill afford to throw stones at others
. especially technically-oriented people on a NG like
comp.unix.admin.  Who knows what kind of info a sysadmin with root
privileges might be able to dig up (and "share") on the infamous
Gary Burnore...

Maybe he ought to lay off of the flaming and stick to running
PedoBasix ... oops, I mean DataBasix.

You've _GOT_ to be kidding me.  _This_ is what people have been whining
about?  Fer *'s sake people, not only is this off-topic and ad
hominem, but what a _stupid_ thing to whine about.

-Robin
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On Mon, 19 Apr 1999 07:51:35 +0200 (CEST), Anonymous

Hahhah PedoBasix.  Pretty much says it all.

Your friend
Vic

On 19 Apr 1999 15:36:40 GMT, rlpow...@calum.csclub.uwaterloo.ca (Robin

GARY(CHESTER)BURNORE is a leacherous old convicted criminal.  
Gary spent $30,000 to get himself almost out of trouble. Read his
statement below which he posted when he found out he was on the North
Carolina Sex offender web page.  Mind you the statement below is
GAry's point of view.  

Gary is an over 40 balding fat, gray haired, pot bellied, out of shape
jerk.  He mentally abused his fiancee's daughter. Then he physically
abused her.  The criminal is serving 3 year's probation.  

Would you want your 17 year old daughter harrassed by this man.

Your friend
Vic

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The following will be posted separately to Triangle.General.  PLEASE
DO
NOT CROSSPOST REPLIES AS THEY WILL BE CANCELLED.

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I'm going to answer some basic questions here.  If anyone wants, they
can email me at my databasix.com address and I may or may not respond.
 I WILL post flame  e-mail.  This will most likely be my only post on
this topic.

This is it, in a nutshell:

In 11/96, I kissed a 17 year old girl.  I'm not going to provide you
with a lot of detail because this isn't the place for it.  I pass no
judgment on whether or not she instigated it.  I held myself
responsible.  That's why I went to see a counselor and offered to pay
for hers if she wanted to do the same.  

It was at the counselor's office that I learned what had happened was
considered a crime under CA law.  I discussed this with the girl and
her mother; neither wanted to get law enforcement involved.  I phoned
the City of Santa Clara Police Department and discussed it with them
and they confirmed that it was a misdemeanor.  

I saw an attorney.  He advised me to plead not guilty.  I refused to
do so,  because that would have required the girl to take the stand
and testify and I didn't want to put her through that.  She was
terrified with the thought of going to court.

I  wrote a statement about what happened and faxed it to the Santa
Clara police.  The girl went to the station and made her statement.  
I then went to the police station and turned myself in.  Because mine
and the girl's statements were essentially the same, I was released on
my own recognizance.

On 2/20/97, I was charged with violating section 647.6 (a) of the
California Penal Code, which is a misdemeanor.  On 3/13/97, I was
sentenced to 3 years probation.  Note that the girl provided a written
statement to the court, asking for leniency, as she felt that it was
all a big mistake and that I shouldn't be punished for it.

To date, this ordeal has cost me nearly $30,000.00 in legal fees, lost
wages, and other costs.   That however,  is nothing compared to the
emotional stress of this.  It goes on and on and on.

I've been expecting that this was going to come out.  The anonymous
moron stalking me for the past year seems to have devoted his life to
learning everything about me and I figured it was only a matter of
time.  I'll probably  put up a web page to tell my side of this, now
that all the dirt has been archived in so many places on the web.

 I had not expected my name to be added in North Carolina since what
happened in California wasn't covered under law in NC as an offense
let alone one requiring registration.   When I first made arrangments
to move to NC,  a court order from CA required me to present the court
papers from California and NC would decide if I should or should not
be added.  

The clerk in the sherriffs office couldn't find anything comparable
and wasn't going to register me at all.  But if I couldn't provide
proof of registration to my probation officer in CA, she wasn't going
to process the paperwork to transfer my probation to NC.  I did not
want to stay in CA until my probation was up.  

The clerk, in typical civil servant fashion, didn't want to write a
letter saying that registration wasn't required.  I needed something
in writing though, so she went ahead and registered me under "Indecent
liberties with a minor" because it was the "closest thing" she could
find.   She told me that someone would investigate it and see if it
was a registerable offense and would probably be in touch with me.  

I never heard from anyone, and kinda (wrongly) figured that the
registration would be kicked out, since the NC statute wasn't even
comparable.  So much for assumptions.  There has been no decision as
to if my name will remain on the NC list or not.

I was not convicted of a Felony.  I was convicted of a misdemenor.
The victim was 18 before the sentencing date in March 1997.  She was
17 in November of 1996.  I did not plead to lesser charges.   I did
not do any of the horrible things covered by the NC statute I've been
registered under.

You know what's so damn frustrating about this?  I chose to talk to a
councelor about this even though I knew it would bring charges.  I was
doing the right thing.   I did the right thing by not dragging it to a
jury trial.  I did the right thing by regestering and I've done the
right thing by paying my fines,. court costs and obeying the terms of
my probation.   But none of that seems to matter.  The punishment just
goes on and on and on.

Some of you will ask how I can prove any of this. I'll put a copy of
the charging document on a website.  You can see the crime I was
charged with and link to a site on the CA gov page that defines it.
If anyone really wants to know more, they can do their own research.
I would imagine that if I published any statements written by the girl
that it would be a violation of law.  Even if it weren't, I wouldn't
do it, because it's not right.

Some of you will still then insist that it's not enough and you don't
believe me.  I don't care.  I don't have to tell you anything.  This
isn't something that even needs to be discussed on Usenet but since
it's been brought up I've decided to do this much.  That's it.

I want to thank all of those who have sided not with me, not the 17
year old, but with justice.  The posting to the WWW of this sort of
informaiton is not justice.  It is continuation of the punishment
levied in court.    I believe the federal law that prompted the
creation of these  kind of databases was meant to protect all of the
people, not punish some of them.  It's a shame that NC doesn't place
the same kind of restrictions on use of the information as some other
states do.

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Quote:> >> Fortunately, Gary's victim is the only one who hasn't been forced to
> >> leave town.  The girl's mother, who was Gary's fiancee at the time,
> >> has moved to Dayton, OH.  Gary moved to NC to get out of registering
> >> as a sex offender, which he'd have to do if he remained in CA.

> >For kissing a 17 year old. Big deal.

> You've _GOT_ to be kidding me.  _This_ is what people have been whining
> about?  Fer *'s sake people, not only is this off-topic and ad
> hominem, but what a _stupid_ thing to whine about.

Actually, the facts are that Gary Burnore was convicted in 1997 of
molesting a child in Santa Clara, CA.  He claims to have spent over
$30,000 in legal fees and ended up pleading "no contest" or "guilty"
to a misdemeanor charge of "molesting or annoying a child".  It's
only Gary's UNSUPPORTED CLAIM that the offense consisted solely of
"kissing a 17 year old girl".  

Has anyone ever heard of ANYONE ELSE being convicted of that?  If
that were the case, the vice squad could have a field day at the
senior prom, right?  By his own admission, he was placed on 3 years'
probation and required to register as a sex offender under Megan's
Law. If he wasn't guilty of molesting/annoying a child, then he had
a chance to contest the charge in court.

        Gary,

        This is "comp.unix.admin", not "alt.fan.RevKool", my son.  If you
need help configuring your killfile, just ask.  There are plenty of
us here that can get you up to speed.  Confine discussion of your
legal problems to some other newsgroup.

                        Yours in Christ,
                              Don

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Quote:> Yeah. Ronald Guilmette (the anon * incorrectly attributed to
> victor by victorcracker), victor, ed foster and a few other known net
> kooks don't have anything better to do than harass me.  

You didn't manage to drag Ed Foster into it until you denied the
truth once too often.  You made that same mistake a couple of years
ago with your hilarious assertion that everyone who lives in
Roseville, CA is a "bigot".  When Ed challenged you to prove it, you
CLAIMED to have killfiled him.  (Funny how your killfiles never seem
to work, isn't it?)

Isn't it just slightly possible that not everyone who dares to
challenge you is a "kook", but maybe YOU are, instead?

Quote:> Rev Cool just
> posts ad hominems because he has nothing to argue _WITH_ so he finds
> something else to try to argue about.  A perfect example of why he's
> killfile fodder for most.  

You have yet to post a shred of proof that Ron Guilmette is this
so-called "Anon *".  You're just pissed that an anonymous
tip-off to your victim's mother and school officials led to your
eventual arrest and conviction for child molestation.

Maybe if you'd stop molesting children, then denying that you have
already been convicted of it once, the subject would die.  Ask any
expert in the field how many *s stop with just one child.

Quote:> Victorcracker tries to help but in doing so stirrs up the yo-yos even
> more.  

By inventing even more fanciful lies than you seem capable of?

Was he correct that you have to pay $300/month to the state of
California to stay out of prison?  Or that your victim's mother
petitioned the court to keep you in California (in prison) rather
than allowing you to abuse children in another state?

Where's all the documtation supporting your claims that you promised
a year ago to post on a website?

Quote:> They all seem to be pissed that they're being ignored in every
> alt group so they've decided to look for my posts in comp groups too.
> Since some of them have taken to snail-mailing copies of a web page
> that only existed until the state corrected it's error with a b/w
> picture they got from who knows where, I'll not be surprised at
> anything they try next.  

How did the state make this "error" in the first place?  Was it
because you registered as a sex offender in NC in order to comply
with the terms of your CA probation?

Before someone whined to Tim's ISP and got the page censored, it
contained a COLOR picture, the same one that was on the NC site.
Several eye witnesses have confirmed that fact.  The earlier B/W
version appears to be from a hard copy printout of the page that had
been scanned back in later on.  (I can't blame you for wanting to
disown that hideous face and ugly necktie, though.)

What's really strange is that with all your claims that the photo
and data aren't genuine, you haven't bothered to produce the
"genuine" version of what was there.  If they posted a bogus photo,
you should have been happy, since no one would recognize you from it.

Quote:> Even the privacy groups are telling the anon
> * (Ronald Guilmette) to STFU.

When/where did he post to "privacy groups", and how could a GROUP
say "STFU"?

Quote:> The anon * (Ronald Guilmette of Escrub Technologies, the same
> Escrub who believes it's ok to spam usenet and spam bait addresses in
> usenet to test his idiotic email filtering software...Check dejanews
> on that as well>

My, my, my.  Still whining about Ron, eh?  He's not the convicted
child molester.  YOU ARE!  And whining "yabbut, he's a spammer" is
soooo lame.  Most parents don't worry when a "spammer" moves in next
door.

Quote:> they're hurting the "victim"
> in the case by continually posting tidbits of information about or
> supposidly about them.  (See anon *'s latest here>

What's that cryptic accusation supposed to mean?  Far more
information was posted by you and Camille Klein, who claimed to have
gotten the info from you.

Quote:> If it weren't so sick, it'd be a joke.  

Yes, molesting children is sick.  So are molesters like you.  Maybe
when you stop denying it, you can be helped.  And then again, maybe
not.

Quote:> I apologize to all in this group (except Rev Cool) for these jerks
> even though I have absolutly no control over what they do.  If you
> ignore them, they do go away.

Unfortunately, you can't follow your own advice, can you?

BTW, it is interesting that since you spent $30,000 on legal fees to
buy your way out of this mess, all of your sock puppets seem to be
stuck with accounts either at databasix.com or with one of the
freebie web mail services.  Back when you were on Netcom, your sock
puppets all seemed to have their own Netcruiser accounts.