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Ah c'mon. Someone wants to pay money to someone else who understands the
subject we're all here to talk about.

I think information about the jobs/salaries that our available in our
profession is of interest.

And at least he wasn't trying to sell us encyclopedias :-)

Regards,
Eric Stahl

: Ah c'mon. Someone wants to pay money to someone else who understands the
: subject we're all here to talk about.

Yes, we're here to discuss technical details about it.  Anyone who
is looking for a job in this field is also looking in a different set
of newsgroups.  That's why we have different groups, instead of just
something called "alt.unix" which would have everything mixed up in it.

: I think information about the jobs/salaries that our available in our
: profession is of interest.

Fine.  Then go to the *jobs newsgroups, or google for "Unix salary survey".

: And at least he wasn't trying to sell us encyclopedias :-)

Spam is spam, related to the topic of the group, or not.

Dave Hinz
(who stands by his statement that nobody who spams would be worth having
as a headhunter, and nobody who answers spam would be worth hiring).

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Quote:> Spam is spam, related to the topic of the group, or not.

> Dave Hinz
> (who stands by his statement that nobody who spams would be worth having
> as a headhunter, and nobody who answers spam would be worth hiring).

Untrue. Spam is something not related to the topic and also unsolicited by
most readers of the newsgroup. Unix Sysadmin job posting is directly related
to comp.unix.admin because it has to do with both comp, unix and admin ,
also because there is _no_ newsgroup named comp.unix.admin.jobs. It is also
pretty much solicited by a hefty percentage of Sysadmins these days - if you
don't believe me take a look at the market and read some articled from
www.*edcompany.com .

: snip snip snip
: > Spam is spam, related to the topic of the group, or not.
: >
: >
: > Dave Hinz
: > (who stands by his statement that nobody who spams would be worth having
: > as a headhunter, and nobody who answers spam would be worth hiring).
: >

: Untrue. Spam is something not related to the topic and also unsolicited by
: most readers of the newsgroup. Unix Sysadmin job posting is directly related
: to comp.unix.admin because it has to do with both comp, unix and admin ,
: also because there is _no_ newsgroup named comp.unix.admin.jobs.

So, create one.  If you can't find the right jobs newsgroup, that's
your problem.  This is a technical newsgroup, not a recruiting group.
There are lots of computing jobs groups, but the fact that there
isn't a comp.unix.solaris.admin.jobs, comp.unix.hpux.admin.jobs,
comp.unix.sco.admin.jobs and so on, doesn't make it on-topic here.

...not to mention, the dozen or so jobs websites which get very good
responses...

: It is also
: pretty much solicited by a hefty percentage of Sysadmins these days - if you
: don't believe me take a look at the market and read some articled from
: www.*edcompany.com .

I'm sure that when you wrote that, there was a point in your mind, but
it doesn't come through in your writing.

I stand by my statement.  Nobody worth hiring will respond to a spam
posting to a technical group, and no headhunter who spams is worthy
of representing a good sysadmin.  After all - if the headhunter is
willing to disregard Usenet posting rules, what other rules are
they going to ignore?  How about the "Don't send my resume to my
current employer" rule?  Or, the "Don't call me at work" rule?  What
about the "Don't send my resume to anyone without asking me first"
rule?  

Once a headhunter destroys their credibility by spamming, they've
given me enough information to decide not to use them.  With so
many clued ones out there, why go with someone who is either
clueless, or apathetic?

Dave Hinz

What group then ?

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Quote:N. G. wrote...
>What group then ?

misc.jobs*.*

Get a newsreader, like WinVN, that can do a "Group -> Find" and
feed it with the keyword "job".

Also, tons of search engines are available in the web.
People have diminishing tolerance to lamers who can't (or too lazy)
to make use of these commonly available searching tools.

: * off, Marty.

: *plonk*

Well spoken, Gary.