>Only if the future is to install something that is sure to
>be replaced by *something else* two years from now, which seems to
>very much be the "MicroSoft Way"...
I don't know. SunOS -> Solaris and HP-UX 9 -> HP-UX 10 were painful
upgrades as well for many. I would hope that operating systems, no
matter which, continue to evolve and change. I don't want to be running
the same thing I am using today 20 years from now.
Quote:>UNIX has been around for many years, and has a trust and core knowledge
>of experience that has grown with it. It does not really
>change that much, even between SysV and BSD types.
>UNIX is UNIX...
And NT is DOS. ;) I agree that UNIX has a lot going for it because of
the length of time it has been around, and because there are a great
many experienced users and developers for it. However, M$ would hope that
in 25 years we could say the same about NT. Just because it's a fledgling
OS doesnt mean it has no hope or promise.
>Who really *knows* NT except for the company that wrote it?
>You don't get the source for NT do you?
>Maybe you don't for Solaris either, but most of the time the API
>is open and information about the internals is not obfuscated
>or hidden in agreements of a legal nature or whatever.
>That's my first argument.
It's an argument from the developers' level but not necessarily from
that of the user of administrator. There are companies that license the
source from M$, however, and do know what's going on to some degree.
However, in general, I agree.
Quote:>What happens if your mouse fails?
>Sounds stupid but it's true.
Well, hopefully you have another mouse or can borrow one? I mean, what
if your hard disk fails? That's a hardware issue! The machine won't
crash because its mouse doesn't work! It will still continue serving
happily until you procure another mouse! And, needless to say, you
CAN perform most tasks in NT without a mouse, although it is frustrating
and M$ is sometimes weak about documenting such things. In general,
NT without a mouse is no fun to use, but it doesn't cripple the system
and I don't see where a hardware issue should reflect badly on the OS.
You might list "very usable when mouse fails" as a plus for purchasing
UNIX, but I cannot see that as a huge advantage to using UNIX.
>I know there are packages you can *buy* that give POSIX level compliancy
>for NT, and it includes stuff like shells, scripting ability
>etc. etc. but why bother. UNIX gives it to you *free*
>Even a C compiler can be found free for UNIX, never mind Solaris
>or whatever makes you pay too, at least you can get a free one easily...
Visual C++ isn't too expensive, and I think gcc is being ported to
NT. A lot of other stuff can also be found free including perl and tcl/tk.
If you want to talk price, look at the cost of UNIX hardware! Aieeee.
>> For the record: The services we provide w/ our server: httpd, smtp, pop,
>> gopher, ftp, various home-grown cgi's, https, hmmmm... and anything else
>> we feel like doing.
>Exactly. What *you* feel like doing.
>Most of those things you have to buy for NT.
>A DNS server for NT costs AUD400, to just quote one example.
Actually, NT ships with its own DNS as of 4.0 as well as WWW and ftp
Quote:>Also, who's running a news server on NT?
>I betcha it is slow... I betcha it falls over a lot.
>Even MS know better than to use NT for that!
Wild speculation aside, NT can act as a news server. I have no idea
how well it performs.
>A lot of NT "internet" applications aren't even following the
>standards laid down by the RFCs!
>Look at the debacle regarding the delegation of IP addresses
>from within the NT GUI.
>Sure you can fix the problem, but then you need a text editor.
>So much for the NT GUI providing ease of use!
M$ is not known for their networking abilities. Remember, they were
pushing NetBUI on us for a while! :) The bug you are speaking of was fixed
in 4.0, by the way. I also think the Registry is an atrocity and a
Bad Idea, though.
NT is not UNIX. Us UNIX folks would like it to be UNIX. Other folks
would like it to be as far away from UNIX as possible. I still
vastly prefer UNIX over NT. However, with NT's price/performance
and with the number of people who use M$ products like Office, I
don't think it is going away anytime soon. It doesn't make sense to
manage a network of M$ machines with a UNIX server. :)