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by **David Caste** » Sun, 24 Apr 1994 01:56:30

We have almost exactly the same requirements. If you find a good tool please
could you tell me.

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by **Daniel B. Bik** » Sat, 23 Apr 1994 08:19:40

Hi There,

I'm shopping around for a tool which allows me to manage
source code of the product I'm building for multiple types
of platforms:

ms windows
ms dos
unix
os/2

I'll probably store the source code on an nfs partition
and mount it on my pc or workstation.

It would be nice if the tool helped me build Makefiles or
compile scripts and also run the appropriate compiler.

Also it would be nice if the tool allowed me to keep track of
dependencies between database objects and source code. For
example, if I want to remove or alter a column in a table,
I'd like to know what source files will need to be changed.

If the tool had an X window or ms window point & click interface
I'd be impressed.

If the tool allowed me to hook up a microphone to it and understand
what I say, then I'd want to buy stock in the company which sells it.

-Dan
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by **Karel Spreng** » Thu, 28 Apr 1994 20:11:42

Quote:>Hi There,

>I'm shopping around for a tool which allows me to manage
>source code of the product I'm building for multiple types
>of platforms:

> ms windows
> ms dos
> unix
> os/2

>I'll probably store the source code on an nfs partition
>and mount it on my pc or workstation.

>It would be nice if the tool helped me build Makefiles or
>compile scripts and also run the appropriate compiler.

Currently we are evaluating PVCS Version Manager and PVCS Configuration
Builder to see if these can help us develop ORACLE apps. It is a commercial
product that runs on all the platforms you named (plus some). There is also
GNU's rcs and make. There is a DOS version of rcs, but I have not yet found a
DOS version of their make. It's free anyway.

Quote:>Also it would be nice if the tool allowed me to keep track of
>dependencies between database objects and source code. For
>example, if I want to remove or alter a column in a table,
>I'd like to know what source files will need to be changed.

I think this can be done with PVCS and rcs/make, but you would need a separate
file for each table. When you alter the table, you touch the file and make or
PVCS Configuration Builder will use the new timestamp to trigger the rebuild
of all targets depending on it. I have no knowledge of a product that can look
inside an ORACLE database and start rebuilds based on its contents. I know
Ingres had (has?) a reconciler, which will recompile forms and what have you
when tables they depend on have changed. Rumor has it that Intersolv and
Oracle are talking about integrating PVCS with ORACLE.

Quote:>If the tool had an X window or ms window point & click interface
>I'd be impressed.

PVCS has both.

Quote:>If the tool allowed me to hook up a microphone to it and understand
>what I say, then I'd want to buy stock in the company which sells it.

With a sound card you might have it talk back to you or hum along while it's
busy building your stuff. Might be fun.

Regards,
Karel

>-Dan
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by **l.suss..** » Sat, 30 Apr 1994 00:00:34

Have you looked at PVCS from Intersolv ?

Lester Sussman

by **Nathaniel J. Cros** » Mon, 02 May 1994 08:09:26

I've had a similar problem with cross-platform source control products myself.
PVCS is the only option I've come across. Interestingly, a certain Seattle-
based company provide their Mac developers with a PC just to run MS-Delta,
rather than run someone else's source tool!
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Nathaniel J. Cross

by **Emery Lapins** » Tue, 03 May 1994 08:46:06

>Have you looked at PVCS from Intersolv ?

It might be PVCS or it might be the way we've got it set up, but I didn't
think PVCS was very good. We're only using Suns, so we don't need its
(supposed) inter-platfrom abilities.

As I understand it, it is a MS-DOS program ported to Unix. This might
explain why it uses its own "diff" program which I think is
less readable than Unix' diff. It also goes into an infinate
loop sometimes on a Ctrl-C.

It has a GUI interface that we've never used. We had a little trouble getting
it setup, but nobody really tried very hard.

-Emery
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by **Charles H. Eva** » Fri, 06 May 1994 07:59:01

>It might be PVCS or it might be the way we've got it set up, but I didn't
>think PVCS was very good. We're only using Suns, so we don't need its
>(supposed) inter-platfrom abilities.

One group who thought they could "do it right" the second time around
(personnel earlier worked on DSEE at Apollo) is Atria:

Charles Evans
Networking Image and Multimedia Applications

by **Eric A. Raymo** » Fri, 06 May 1994 08:20:26

We looked at PVCS, but it was way too heavy handed for our liking. It
is great if you work in Cobol on mainframes, but that's not our
attitude. This is software in the tradition of intimidation: mystify
people enough and they will pay anything to cover their fears. Also,
the process of setting up a project and set of files is way too
confusing.

We ended up using RCS from MKS. This works much better on a PC (no
sym links) environment than the free GNU RCS. You might also try CVS
(which didn't work too well underon a PC either). We're expecting MKS
RCS to have some CVS'like features soon ....

by **Steve Mart** » Fri, 06 May 1994 12:29:54

I work with PVCS and would have to agree that it is not that great (we
are on PC's). The only thing that makes it work for us is that I had
used cvs on unix recently and was able to write a set of batch files on
top of PVCS that emulate most of its niceties. I'd be interested in
hearing of anything that is better.

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by **Mike Geor** » Sun, 08 May 1994 07:17:24

>>Have you looked at PVCS from Intersolv ?

>It might be PVCS or it might be the way we've got it set up, but I didn't
>think PVCS was very good. We're only using Suns, so we don't need its
>(supposed) inter-platfrom abilities.

>As I understand it, it is a MS-DOS program ported to Unix. This might
>explain why it uses its own "diff" program which I think is
>less readable than Unix' diff. It also goes into an infinate
>loop sometimes on a Ctrl-C.

>It has a GUI interface that we've never used. We had a little trouble getting
>it setup, but nobody really tried very hard.

>-Emery
>--

>I have no professional affiliation with NYU -- these words are mine, all mine.
>GCS d? p---(++) c++ l++ u++ e- m-- s-/+ !n(---) h++ f?(--) g+ w+ t+ r(-) y*(?)
>The Geek Code is copyright 1993 by Robert A. Hayden. All rights reserved.

If you're on Sun workstations, the best tool (IMHO) is the SPARCworks
VersionTool. Granted, it's a GUI to front end good old SCCS, but it
really does take the pain out of SCCS. VersionTool and its companion
CodeManager have done a good job for us. We're developing a large
application on multiple machines (SPARCstations and x86 boxes running
Solaris) at multiple sites, and these tools have made life tolerable
if not pleasant for us.

by **Sinan Kara** » Fri, 13 May 1994 06:54:23

>If you're on Sun workstations, the best tool (IMHO) is the SPARCworks
>VersionTool. Granted, it's a GUI to front end good old SCCS, but it

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