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Of course, Joe Humrickhouse's recommendations are good books, too.
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It is an excellent book for understanding Unix kernels (various flavors) in
theory. But don't expect  code walk through style  like Richard Stevens'
Network Programming series.

Quote:> From many classic review, the book "Lions' Commentary on UNIX 6th
> edition : with source code " is the most excellent point of learn unix
> system. So I borrow it from my library, and then I find out that it is
> the source code with comment, as it state, but nothing more. Seen to me
> that it is a bit harder to read because I am a java programmer. Only
> learn C, ASM and Unix programming at college, with really less
> experience of these stuff. Do this book still suitable for me? or is
> there are better choice to learn more about Unix kernal?

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Quote:> > From many classic review, the book "Lions' Commentary on UNIX 6th
> > edition : with source code " is the most excellent point of learn unix
> > system. So I borrow it from my library, and then I find out that it is
> > the source code with comment, as it state, but nothing more. Seen to me
> > that it is a bit harder to read because I am a java programmer. Only
> > learn C, ASM and Unix programming at college, with really less
> > experience of these stuff. Do this book still suitable for me? or is
> > there are better choice to learn more about Unix kernal?

> Try these:
> _The Design and Implementation of the 4.3BSD UNIX Operating System_ by
> Leffler, McKusick, Karels and Quarterman
> _Operating Systems Design and Implementation_ by Tanenbaum and
> Woodhall
> _The Design of the UNIX Operating System_, Bach

The 4.3 book is somewhat interesting but it skims the surface in
many places. I looked at it when I considered doing ufs in Linux,
and it provided not much of a substance :)

Lions is great for historical value. I used to have PDP-11 at
home and it ran the code that desribed by Lions.
There is an attempt to comment Linux in the same way, I saw
it in B&N the other day. Unfortunately for its authors, Linux
is a moving target.

Tannenbaum is the hawk of microkernels as we all know :)

Maurice Bach was great, I owned a 5-th photocopy of it
when it was impossible to find.

--Pete

Quote:>From many classic review, the book "Lions' Commentary on UNIX 6th
>edition : with source code " is the most excellent point of learn unix
>system. So I borrow it from my library, and then I find out that it is
>the source code with comment, as it state, but nothing more. Seen to me
>that it is a bit harder to read because I am a java programmer. Only
>learn C, ASM and Unix programming at college, with really less
>experience of these stuff. Do this book still suitable for me? or is
>there are better choice to learn more about Unix kernal?

Another book that may be of interest to you, if you can find it as I
understand it's out of print, is the "Magic Garden Explained" by Berny
Goodheart and James Cox.  It explains the internals of SVR4 and is one
of the bibles where I work, along with Richard Stevens' books (all of
them).

FWIW, HTH.
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Hydra C.mmp. An experimental system. Wulf et al.
 Covers the hardware and software. Capabilities based system.

The IBM 360/370 papers. ( keep aspro handy while reading )

Trailing-egde.com has Tops-10 and TOPS-20. *e. Almost
ALL in Macro-10 and some BLISS. Tops-10 is older than ANY
unix, and was the first time-sharing OS sold.

If you can get them, the VMS Listing Fiche.

Also, the RSX kits have full kernel sources in them, with
comments. RSX is the 'base design' for VMS and NT.

Hang out in comp.os.research. Their FAQ has pointers to
research systems you can often download.

If you can find them, I hear the Burroughs kernel sources
are worth reading just for the humour.

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Covers Linux Kernel version 2.2 quite well.

Alas ... if only the Linux Kernel Guru's knew how to document their designs
in the source :(
(They seem to think a comment is what I just made ... not something that
belongs in a .c file)

Quote:> From many classic review, the book "Lions' Commentary on UNIX 6th
> edition : with source code " is the most excellent point of learn unix
> system. So I borrow it from my library, and then I find out that it is
> the source code with comment, as it state, but nothing more. Seen to me
> that it is a bit harder to read because I am a java programmer. Only
> learn C, ASM and Unix programming at college, with really less
> experience of these stuff. Do this book still suitable for me? or is
> there are better choice to learn more about Unix kernal?