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I needed java support because my stock trader uses java for the live stock
streamer window. As I stated in my last post, it is impossible or extremely
unclear if FreeBSD even has a browser that can, or be made (with plug-in) to
work with today's java sites. Linux seems to have all the support. I broke
down and installed the linux-netscape-communicator 4.7.tgz and use it with
Linux emulation. It works but this stuff sure is unstable. I have tried
slackware, openbsd and now FreeBSD and all systems had problems with the
stability of apps. I have always used packages from the vendor of the OS I
am currently using so I don't see why there is so many issues with
stability. The one app. That has been very unstable in every OS is Netscape,
mozilla is worse, and Konqueror does not have java. Is there any good STABLE
web browser with java? I find myself using my XP box more and more because
it's reliable. I am just frustrated because it has proven to be almost
impossible to get a stable system with UNIX so any help would be
appreciated. I have tried several computers with same results. All computers
are 550mhz and above with 128mb (and above) pc-100 ram.

I have heard that using the linux version of Mozilla + linux-jdk1.3 is
relatively stable.  Have you tried that combination?

Java on Netscape 4.x is a disaster.

Nick

What about Opera? Have you tried that?
I don't know how stable their Java is, haven't used it much.
--
Torfinn Ingolfsen
Norway

I find my BSD systems are extremely reliable - they don't crash -
they perform well - but in the area of web browswer I have
complaints.  Netscape if left running sucks up more and more memory
for instance.  Just doesn't work as well.  So with a KVM I switch
to the MS machine which I really only use for two things.

Web browsing and CD burning/creation.

In this days of networks is so easy to use different machines for
the things it does best.  

I think we are further from an universal OS than before.

Ever seen a `reliable' web browser yet?
What platform did it run on?

Quote:>  Netscape if left running sucks up more and more memory
> for instance.

It is ofcourse a windows app vaguely rooted in mosaic, *ed up thrice
over in the course of a bunch of years.

[SNIP]

Quote:> I think we are further from an universal OS than before.

You been doing these holistic excercises again eh?
What did they put in your coffee this time?

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  j p d (at) d s b (dot) t u d e l f t (dot) n l .

I've found the the current browser seem most stable in the MS
environment.  The best Unix browser I have use was Netscape Gold
3.0.  Ran it on the SGIs I used to use.

Quote:>>  Netscape if left running sucks up more and more memory
>> for instance.
>It is ofcourse a windows app vaguely rooted in mosaic, *ed up thrice
>over in the course of a bunch of years.

The first Mosaic I used was on a Unix based system - that was years
ago.  Put Java on in the FreeBSD environment - and for me things
just got worse and worse.

However the most reliable web browser I've used is Lynx.  But there
are times when I do need graphics, thats why I use the MS.

Quote:>> I think we are further from an universal OS than before.
>You been doing these holistic excercises again eh?
>What did they put in your coffee this time?

Everyone has always been hunting for the ONE OS ever since I've
been playing with these things.  It looked like Unix might have
been heading that until the OSF ?? and Unix International groups
divided the Unix HW vendors into two camps.

As for the coffee?  Fresh ground french roast every morning -
without fail. :=)

I am disturbed by this thread. I just set up FreeBSD at home
to get stability. I also have Win98 on the same box. I just connected
my home box to the internet with a 56k modem. I've never been
connected to the internet with a PC before. My sole experience with
the internet has been at work with HP-UX and Solaris boxes (where
I am right now with Solaris). I've had no problems with Netscape the
past many (8?) years. I can have multiple browsers running, all sucking up
hoards of data.  I downloaded the four FreeBSD4.4 install CD images in
parallel (four browsers running) in no time, burned CDRs and took them
home. The reason for my doing this is to get the same kind of stability at
home as I do at work. I'm so sick of the Gordian knot called Windows.
(Want to install an app?, we'll entwine it in the knot.) Please don't tell
me I can't have a stable browser in FreeBSD.

Fresh ground coffee that I roasted (usually Guatemalan) for American
coffee, or canned Cuban stuff (Bustello or such) for espresso or cappuccino
MMmmmm! I'm going to make some cappuccino now!

Scott.Olson.vcf < 1K Download

On Mon, 07 Jan 2002 11:20:31 -0500,

ObNote: Please don't do that here. Likewise, no vcard.

[SNIP]

Quote:> Please don't tell
> me I can't have a stable browser in FreeBSD.

In fact, netscape is a tad stabler compared to netscape on redmondware.
Opera seems to be quite stable, too. Oh and lynx rarely fails. But really,
I've as of yet to see any browser that doesn't have random problems nowhere.

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>I am disturbed by this thread. I just set up FreeBSD at home to
>get stability. I also have Win98 on the same box. I just connected
>my home box to the internet with a 56k modem. I've never been
>connected to the internet with a PC before. My sole experience with
>the internet has been at work with HP-UX and Solaris boxes (where
>I am right now with Solaris). I've had no problems with Netscape
>the past many (8?) years. I can have multiple browsers running, all
>sucking up hoards of data. I downloaded the four FreeBSD4.4 install
>CD images in parallel (four browsers running) in no time, burned
>CDRs and took them home. The reason for my doing this is to get
>the same kind of stability at home as I do at work. I'm so sick of
>the Gordian knot called Windows. (Want to install an app?, we'll
>entwine it in the knot.) Please don't tell me I can't have a stable
>browser in FreeBSD.

My data point was a sample of one.  Netscape was stable but if I
left it up during the next day things would start slowing down so
it was restart time.  Java would also cause unpredictable things.
But I am using primarily a text environment and not a whiz-bang
graphics card so ti could be just this system.

But I have found that I use MS Winx for such things as printing
files.  I got a .doc and save it, and printed from the SMB mount
and let the Win machine do all the formatting and then it passed it
back over the netwokr to my HP970Cxi being driven by apsfilter.
An hour or so later I had a 157 page document [duplex so it was 79
pages].  >This< machine is definately underpowered by modern
standards.

I don't know about the browser but everything WILL be stable. I
only spent about 10 hours over 2 day getting my MS machine stable
again.  I couldn't reload the OS as too many apps were installed
over a network, or in one case installed from CD and upgraded over
the net, and the period to do an online upgrade for that app is
long past.  I spent some time in the 'tools' section of 'system
information' finding out and disabling/renabling certain things
that started automatically in the registry.  

It served to refresh my feelings about why I dislike MS products.
OTOH I just checked and my web-server has been up for 392 days.
The busiest site on it has been run 20K hits/day averages since the
first of the year.  March last year it was running about 80K/day
with one day at 115K.  Hm just checked the stats and last March 21
I had one minute with 628 hits. Never saw that before.  But it just
runs and runs and runs.  I've never seen another system as stable
as the BSD ones.  But then again - afte moving to them about 5
years ago for all net work I've never looked at anything else.

Quote:>Fresh ground coffee that I roasted (usually Guatemalan) for
>American coffee, or canned Cuban stuff (Bustello or such) for
>espresso or cappuccino MMmmmm! I'm going to make some cappuccino
>now!

Never got around to tyring to roast it myself but it sounds great.