Installed - What now???

Installed - What now???

Post by Mr. Spu » Mon, 16 Apr 2001 18:41:46



in FreeBSD 4.2, How do I get a graphical GUI or at least some help with text prompts?

   I have finished the install of 4.2 release, downloaded from the ftp site (no packages) and have a nice dual boot for FreeBSD and DOS.  When FreeBSD boots, I can log in with the user account I created, but I'm left with a '$' prompt.  I heard of short command lines so I tried everything from 'a' to 'z' as single letter commands.  Some returned some interesting results.  I can't locate any sort of help file, and 'man man' proved both confusing and unhelpful.
----
SYSTEM SPECS:
CPU - 486 DX2-S
RAM - 36 MB
Disk - 1.2 GB
   250 MB for DOS
   rest for FreeBSD
   a little for boot and a really small section left unclaimed by FreeBSD after creating an auto sized partition
Drives - Floppy (no CD)'

   I recall an option to install KDE or other such 'protocols'(?) after the basic install but I don't remember it very well... Is that what I should do?  Re-enter the setup program and install one of those?  I want to use the machine for the following:
1) Basic homework needs at University
2) HTML and web-building
3) Browsing (of course)
4) Games, but nothing recent or seriously demanding...

   Do I need to get some 'packages' to get a GUI interface?

--
With unanswered questions,
 and unquestioned answers,
 goodbie;
 patiently waiting,
 Mr. Spud
http://www.mrspud.cjb.net

 
 
 

Installed - What now???

Post by paradiv » Tue, 17 Apr 2001 01:58:10


as root, type:
/stand/sysinstall

to get back to setup which is where you can install kde, etc. though it
seems like you're pretty new to command line, which youy will need to know
regardless, so first off, i recommend picking up a good unix book/tutorial.

--
paradive
perl -e
"print(pack('h48','07162716469667560496e646573747279616c6e2f62776'))"
"i've picked up all your bad habits and i do believe i like them."


in FreeBSD 4.2, How do I get a graphical GUI or at least some help with text
prompts?

   I have finished the install of 4.2 release, downloaded from the ftp site
(no packages) and have a nice dual boot for FreeBSD and DOS.  When FreeBSD
boots, I can log in with the user account I created, but I'm left with a '$'
prompt.  I heard of short command lines so I tried everything from 'a' to
'z' as single letter commands.  Some returned some interesting results.  I
can't locate any sort of help file, and 'man man' proved both confusing and
unhelpful.
----
SYSTEM SPECS:
CPU - 486 DX2-S
RAM - 36 MB
Disk - 1.2 GB
   250 MB for DOS
   rest for FreeBSD
   a little for boot and a really small section left unclaimed by FreeBSD
after creating an auto sized partition
Drives - Floppy (no CD)'

   I recall an option to install KDE or other such 'protocols'(?) after the
basic install but I don't remember it very well... Is that what I should do?
Re-enter the setup program and install one of those?  I want to use the
machine for the following:
1) Basic homework needs at University
2) HTML and web-building
3) Browsing (of course)
4) Games, but nothing recent or seriously demanding...

   Do I need to get some 'packages' to get a GUI interface?

--
With unanswered questions,
 and unquestioned answers,
 goodbie;
 patiently waiting,
 Mr. Spud
http://www.mrspud.cjb.net

 
 
 

Installed - What now???

Post by Lee Ha » Tue, 17 Apr 2001 11:01:41


If you want to see what you can do now, try:

ls /bin
ls /sbin
ls /usr/bin
ls /usr/sbin

Each line printed by those four commands is a program you can try out.
(Be careful if you are running as root...)

If you installed the man pages, most of them should have man pages too.

That should get you started. Welcome to FreeBSD!

 
 
 

Installed - What now???

Post by Mr. Spu » Tue, 17 Apr 2001 13:54:04


Thank you for your prompt response.
I finally was able to access /stand/sysinstall after I figured out how to
log in as root (not that complicated <-:).  I did try to install the KDE
environ. but apparently I don't have it with the other files on the DOS
partition: it asked what DOS partition to look in, and since I didn't know
between the two choices it gave me, I chose the first one, figuring it was
probably the correct one.  Well, it didn't find it, but I think it's not
there.  What folder(s) should I look for under \FREEBSD\ to confirm that I
have the install files for an environment?  Also, do you prefer any one over
another, and why?  I have dl-ed a bunch of 'packages' including one called
'gnome' with 148 items and over 77MB in it.  However, this is on the
cmoputer that I'm composing this on, not the one I'm working on.  To
transfer the files, it's a matter of moving a hard drive, so it's not *that*
hard.  (-:
So, what files should I look for?
--
With unanswered questions,
 and unquestioned answers,
 goodbie;
 thank you for your help!
 Mr. Spud
http://www.mrspud.cjb.net

> as root, type:
> /stand/sysinstall

> to get back to setup which is where you can install kde, etc. though it
> seems like you're pretty new to command line, which youy will need to know
> regardless, so first off, i recommend picking up a good unix
book/tutorial.

> --
> paradive
> perl -e
> "print(pack('h48','07162716469667560496e646573747279616c6e2f62776'))"
> "i've picked up all your bad habits and i do believe i like them."



> in FreeBSD 4.2, How do I get a graphical GUI or at least some help with
text
> prompts?

>    I have finished the install of 4.2 release, downloaded from the ftp
site
> (no packages) and have a nice dual boot for FreeBSD and DOS.  When FreeBSD
> boots, I can log in with the user account I created, but I'm left with a
'$'
> prompt.  I heard of short command lines so I tried everything from 'a' to
> 'z' as single letter commands.  Some returned some interesting results.  I
> can't locate any sort of help file, and 'man man' proved both confusing
and
> unhelpful.
> ----
> SYSTEM SPECS:
> CPU - 486 DX2-S
> RAM - 36 MB
> Disk - 1.2 GB
>    250 MB for DOS
>    rest for FreeBSD
>    a little for boot and a really small section left unclaimed by FreeBSD
> after creating an auto sized partition
> Drives - Floppy (no CD)'

>    I recall an option to install KDE or other such 'protocols'(?) after
the
> basic install but I don't remember it very well... Is that what I should
do?
> Re-enter the setup program and install one of those?  I want to use the
> machine for the following:
> 1) Basic homework needs at University
> 2) HTML and web-building
> 3) Browsing (of course)
> 4) Games, but nothing recent or seriously demanding...

>    Do I need to get some 'packages' to get a GUI interface?

> --
> With unanswered questions,
>  and unquestioned answers,
>  goodbie;
>  patiently waiting,
>  Mr. Spud
> http://www.mrspud.cjb.net

 
 
 

Installed - What now???

Post by Mr. Spu » Tue, 17 Apr 2001 13:59:13


Dear Lee,
   Thank you for your promp answer.  Your message seems more helpful than
the other one I received... -:
   I guess I need a GUI environment, and I think I already have gnome, as
described in the response to paradive's post, but I also want to learn more
about the command prompts.  I guess I installed 29 install files under the
\MANPAGES\ folder, but how do I get a list of them so I can display them
with the 'man <filename>' command?  I guess I use ls??  Could you point me
towards a list of commonly used, DOS-equivilant commands and syntax?  I am
well versed in DOS, since DOS was the computing world when I grew up in
it...  <-:  I don't want to buy a book (as suggested by Paradive) because I
am a poor student and feel up to the challenge of learning a new OS.

--
With unanswered questions,
 and unquestioned answers,
 goodbie;
 many thanx,
 Mr. Spud
http://www.mrspud.cjb.net



> If you want to see what you can do now, try:

> ls /bin
> ls /sbin
> ls /usr/bin
> ls /usr/sbin

> Each line printed by those four commands is a program you can try out.
> (Be careful if you are running as root...)

> If you installed the man pages, most of them should have man pages too.

> That should get you started. Welcome to FreeBSD!

 
 
 

Installed - What now???

Post by Michael A. Dickerso » Tue, 17 Apr 2001 16:36:22



Quote:> Could you point me towards a list of commonly used, DOS-equivilant
> commands and syntax?

Here is a very incomplete list, there is a small probability you will find
it useful:

dir -> ls
type -> cat (or, better, more)
edit -> ee
cd -> cd
md -> mkdir
rd -> rmdir
copy -> cp
ren -> mv (better than rename, can 'move' files from anywhere to anywhere)
del -> rm (use with care, you will get no "Are you sure?")
help -> man
\ -> / (in file paths, do not try to use the \ backslash character)

Network tricks are mostly the same:

ftp -> ftp
telnet -> telnet
tracert -> traceroute
ping -> ping

Here are a few that have no DOS equivalents; these are things that are safe
to try without knowing what they do:

id
whoami
hostname
uname
ps
top (push q to get out again)
df

And a few that you will need eventually, but that are NOT safe to try
without knowing what they do (read man first!)

kill
passwd
chpass

And a few important tips for if you are totally new:

1. everything, and I mean EVERYTHING, is case sensitive.  boourns, Boourns,
and BOOURNS are three different files.

2.  Speaking of filenames, there is nothing magic about filenames with 8
characters, a dot, and 3 characters.  If you should choose to give your
files dos-style extensions ("something.abc") anyway, there is nothing magic
about the ".abc".  For instance, naming a file blah.txt does not indicate in
any way that its contents are a text file, except perhaps to a human reading
the filename.

3. If you ever find yourself in the vi full screen editor, the (rather
non-intuitive) way out is to type
:q!<enter>
If you find yourself looking at some text file, with no $ prompt anywhere
and no menu or instructions of any kind anywhere on screen, you are probably
in vi.

4. Don't just shut the power off when unix is running; it doesn't like that.
To reboot type "reboot", or if you want to power off type "shutdown -h now"
as root and wait for the "The operating system has halted" message.

5.  Pressing ctrl-s usually freezes the terminal output, then ctrl-q starts
it again.  If the screen seems to have frozen, you may have pushed ctrl-s by
accident.  Or scroll lock, which lets you use the arrow keys to look at
stuff which has scrolled off the top of the screen (handy!).  It is
extraordinarily unlikely that the operating system will actually freeze,
unless you have hardware problems.

6. An error beginning with "panic" is the equivalent of the Windows Blue
Screen of Death.  If you ever see one of these, something is seriously wrong
and you should probably ask somebody if you don't know how to fix it.

7.  Pressing ctrl-z usually suspends the currently running program, moving
it to the background and returning you to the command prompt.  After doing
this, "fg" will probably get it back again.  (also something that can happen
by accident)

8.  Try alt-F1, alt-F2, etc. and you will find multiple virtual terminals.

9.  When asking questions, please be as specific as you know how to be.
Nobody can answer a question like "X doesn't start up, why?"

Hope this helps you get started and avoid a few frustrations...

M.D.

 
 
 

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