by Stephen Harr » Fri, 02 Sep 1994 01:01:49
: I received a total of 49 votes: 46 FOR, 3 AGAINST. (A list of the e-mail
: addresses is at the end of this article)
: There is clear support for a split of comp.os.linux.help along these lines.
Wow! :-) :-) ;-)
A WHOLE 49 votes! When there are over 100 posts per day, you think that a
whole 49 votes is representative???
There is no evidence of anything except apathy towards the idea here!
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by Dave Si » Fri, 02 Sep 1994 04:26:07
>: I received a total of 49 votes: 46 FOR, 3 AGAINST. (A list of the e-mail
>: addresses is at the end of this article)
>: There is clear support for a split of comp.os.linux.help along these lines.
>Wow! :-) :-) ;-)
>A WHOLE 49 votes! When there are over 100 posts per day, you think that a
>whole 49 votes is representative???
Not true, but even if it was, so what? It's at least shown that amongQuote:>There is no evidence of anything except apathy towards the idea here!
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by Bill Bogst » Fri, 02 Sep 1994 08:33:16
>>: I received a total of 49 votes: 46 FOR, 3 AGAINST. (A list of the e-mail
>>: addresses is at the end of this article)
>>: There is clear support for a split of comp.os.linux.help along these lines.
>>Wow! :-) :-) ;-)
>>A WHOLE 49 votes! When there are over 100 posts per day, you think that a
>>whole 49 votes is representative???
>Actually, 49 votes is rather high for a straw poll posted to once to a
>single group.
>>There is no evidence of anything except apathy towards the idea here!
>Not true, but even if it was, so what? It's at least shown that among
>those who care, the vast majority support a split. And if there *is*
>apathy, maybe it's because the excessive volume of this group is causing
>people to tune out.
Bill Bogstad
by Vincent Fati » Fri, 02 Sep 1994 08:56:09
NOT SO! It shows only that among those who responded, the majority favorQuote:>It's at least shown that among
>those who care, the vast majority support a split.
Any statistician will tell you that it's not a very good idea to let a
sample select itself, as is the case here. One risk which may well apply
here is that a minority (say because they are actively seeking change)
will respond in disproportionately large numbers compared to a majority
who are passively quite happy with the status quo.
I, for one, care very much and follow the newsgroup closely, occasionally
contributing. But I see no natural way to split it, and I don't want to have
to go to two newsgroups to get what I now get from one. Consequently, I, and
I'll bet many others, don't even bother with the "split c.o.l.h" articles.
One might look at it another way: we ALL knew a split was proposed (this was
clear without from the titles alone), and only (what was it) 49 had enough
interest in it to say yea.
I say nay.
Respectfully,
Vincent Fatica
by Dave Si » Fri, 02 Sep 1994 21:55:25
>I, for one, care very much and follow the newsgroup closely, occasionally
>contributing. But I see no natural way to split it, and I don't want to have
>to go to two newsgroups to get what I now get from one. Consequently, I, and
>I'll bet many others, don't even bother with the "split c.o.l.h" articles.
As I said, that's a very respectable response for a straw poll.Quote:>One might look at it another way: we ALL knew a split was proposed (this was
>clear without from the titles alone), and only (what was it) 49 had enough
>interest in it to say yea.
That's fine, but your "nay" will be more important when the proposal comes toQuote:>I say nay.
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by Dave Si » Fri, 02 Sep 1994 22:03:55
> Well in my case, it's probably because I skipped the message
>completely. I use a news reader (strn) that combines articles into threads
>and I only read the topics that have subject lines that interest me. If you
>break the group up into lots of small newsgroups then this feature wouldn't
>work as well for me. So I'ld probably be AGAINST it...
As for whether the split will convenient for you and your news reading
habits, that's something you'll have to decide yourself and vote
accordingly. There are many others for whom the current situation is less
than optimal--it'll probably take a vote to see whether or not more people
favor splitting or sticking together.
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by Bill Bogst » Sat, 03 Sep 1994 08:46:07
>>[I ignored original straw poll postings for splitting c.o.l.h]
>If you care about whether this group splits or not, you probably shouldn't
>ignore discussions about doing just that.
It's my impression that the posted followups to your straw pollQuote:>As for whether the split will convenient for you and your news reading
>habits, that's something you'll have to decide yourself and vote
>accordingly. There are many others for whom the current situation is less
>than optimal--it'll probably take a vote to see whether or not more people
>favor splitting or sticking together.
Bill Bogstad
by maurice s. barn » Sat, 03 Sep 1994 14:33:33
>>: I received a total of 49 votes: 46 FOR, 3 AGAINST. (A list of the e-mail
...
>>: There is clear support for a split of comp.os.linux.help along these lines.
...
>>A WHOLE 49 votes! When there are over 100 posts per day, you think that a
>>whole 49 votes is representative???
>Actually, 49 votes is rather high for a straw poll posted to once to a
>single group.
The volume on this group is *not* that high, and there
are enough linux newsgroups as it is.
Ever think that the low vote count has something to do
with the fact that those who have little problem with
the volume are getting by because they skip silly
threads like "*whine* there's too much traffic..."?
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by Al Longye » Sat, 03 Sep 1994 20:41:20
>>I, for one, care very much and follow the newsgroup closely, occasionally
>>contributing. But I see no natural way to split it, and I don't want to have
>>to go to two newsgroups to get what I now get from one. Consequently, I, and
>>I'll bet many others, don't even bother with the "split c.o.l.h" articles.
>Ignore them at your own peril. If you're concerned EITHER WAY about a
>split--as you apparently are--then it behooves you to pay attention to this
>thread and contribute via discussion or responding to the straw poll.
They require a RFD, a DISCUSSION period (on the proper news group) and a
FORMAL __not_straw__ VOTE.
For this reason, participating in "straw" votes is a waste of
bandwidth since they have no benefit output other than contributing to
the noise. If you desire to vote, then wait for the vote which will
count -- if it gets that far.
If you wish to bypass these rules, then create any group that you wish
on the "alt" hierarchy, subject to the rules there.
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by S. O'Conn » Sat, 03 Sep 1994 19:12:23
by Dan Newcom » Sat, 03 Sep 1994 17:53:06
Get the picture?
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by Dave Si » Sun, 04 Sep 1994 00:25:49
>I would remind everyone who believes in "straw poll results" that this
>news group is a member of the comp hierarchy. As such, you require
>very stringent and specified rules for creating new groups (or
>splitting one).
>They require a RFD, a DISCUSSION period (on the proper news group) and a
>FORMAL __not_straw__ VOTE.
Wrong. They let would-be RFD posters like myself know whether or not theQuote:>For this reason, participating in "straw" votes is a waste of
>bandwidth since they have no benefit output other than contributing to
>the noise.
Like I said, ignore straw polls at your own risk.Quote:>If you desire to vote, then wait for the vote which will
>count -- if it gets that far.
Suppose the readership of comp.os.linux.help was generally opposed to a
split, but more of those who favor a split respond to the straw poll
assuming it's useless and waiting instead for the "real" vote. Then when
the RFD and CFV are posted and the votes are counted it turn out that the
net public was more in favor of the split than the readership. Oops. Maybe
those who opposed the proposal *should* have voted in the straw poll.
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1. STRAW POLL RESULTS:Splittinh comp.os.linux.help
Instead of debating the validity of the straw pole the well-meaning
individual conducted or whether it is statistically correct, let's
support him in setting up an RFD, a CFV, etc. !!!
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2. CU wedged
3. comp.os.linux, comp.os.linux.misc, comp.os.linux.security, comp.os.linux.networking
4. SMP 2.0.33, Linux, innd, and Pulled Out Clumps Of Hair
5. comp.os.linux, comp.os.linux.questions, comp.os.linux.misc
7. alt.os.linux, comp.os.linux.hardware, comp.os.linux.misc
9. STRAW POLL: comp.sys.powerpc reorganisation
10. comp.os.linux.help; comp.os.linux.questions
12. comp.os.linux.hardware, comp.os.linux.redhat, linux.redhat.install
13. Splitting of comp.os.linux.help?