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  I would like to set this up using the slackware distribution: Which disk
sets will I need to set up an "X-terminal" that can operate over PPP?

  Thanks, and please write if you're at all interested!

Shawn

: Would it be feasible to run X-windows over a 14.4k (albeit compressed)
: connection?  I'm considering such a setup, primarily for hacking, and
: running a few apps on an HP-9000 I'm friends with.

It works, but I wouldn't say it's useful.  An xterm or xemacs is almost
usable at 14.4K, but running something like Frame or Mathcad is hoplessly
frustrating.  I generally just run xterms locally and "rlogin" to the
machine on which I want to work.  The only app that I've spent much time
using at 14.4K baud is SGI Explorer.  It's not something I would recommend,
but if your other choice is a 1.5 hour round trip to do a half hour's
hacking, you can learn to put up with it.  I have a sony watchman sitting to
my right on top of my H-19 terminal -- you need something to do while windows
update...

:   I would like to set this up using the slackware distribution: Which disk
: sets will I need to set up an "X-terminal" that can operate over PPP?

Base, Networking, X apps.  You don't need the X link kit or development
stuff.

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Try it you might like it.

I think all you would need to do is to telnet to the HP4000 and set the
display environment variables up right and you could just start xterms or what
ever and they would open up on the display on your local machine.

set environment variable display to something like yourmachine.net.com:0

and do an xterm or use the xterm display switch..

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    >> Would it be feasible to run X-windows over a 14.4k (albeit
    >> compressed) connection?  I'm considering such a setup,
    >> primarily for hacking, and running a few apps on an HP-9000 I'm
    >> friends with.
    >>
    Nicolas> Well it's cool for xbiff , but not for larger
    Nicolas> applications.  -

I completely disagree.  I routinely run several xterms, Emacs, and exmh over
a 14.4K term connection.  A bit slow, but more than usable.

Kevin

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        Well, my friends and I have an inside joke about me running
X-processes through the phones lines.  They keep thinking that I am going
to set the lines on fire!  They were accepting when I ran xbiff but got a
very large chuckle when I waited 15 minutes for one line of Frame to print
itself on the screen (boldfaced)!  Naturally I also wrote a 3-page document
this way. =)  

        I have done this through both term and ppp fyi.  As long as you are
running term -r from the remote side you are all set.  Also, pick up xc
from sunsite.  The shell command is what makes term work in this case.

Later,

Nate

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: Isn't there some way to configure the server to keep track of what is
: in each window, even if it isn't exposed, so if you uncover a window
: the remote machine doesn't have to redraw it?

That's called "backing store" and some servers do implement it.  BTW, AT&T
claimed to have a patent on backing store and was threatening to sue the X
consortium (as I remember -- I don't know what became of that).

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: :   Would it be feasible to run X-windows over a 14.4k (albeit compressed)
: : connection?  I'm considering such a setup, primarily for hacking, and
: : running a few apps on an HP-9000 I'm friends with.

:       Well, my friends and I have an inside joke about me running
: X-processes through the phones lines.  They keep thinking that I am going
: to set the lines on fire!  They were accepting when I ran xbiff but got a
: very large chuckle when I waited 15 minutes for one line of Frame to print
: itself on the screen (boldfaced)!  Naturally I also wrote a 3-page document
: this way. =)  

The trick to using something like Frame via modem is to not look at the
screen.  Close your eyes and just keep typing. Every couple of sentences you
can stop and let it catch up, but if you watch the screen while typing it's
like the satellite delayed phone echo -- it does weird things to your brain
and you start to stutter (or the keyboard equivalent).

Text entry I could handle, but editing equations made me scream.  (Another
plus for TeX -- it's still just as usable over a serial connection!)

You will, of course, have to try it just to see that it can be done -- judge
the usability for yourself. ;)

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Yes, X over a 14.4kbps SLIP connection can be done.  Xterms are slow,
but almost usable.  I tried running Netscape remotely once, I listened
to five or six songs waiting for the thing to display a web page.
Anything that complex is completely unusable at 14.4, so you'll want
to keep to the really simple X-apps.

Doug

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:     >> Would it be feasible to run X-windows over a 14.4k (albeit
:     >> compressed) connection?  I'm considering such a setup,
:     >> primarily for hacking, and running a few apps on an HP-9000 I'm
:     >> friends with.
:     >>
:     Nicolas> Well it's cool for xbiff , but not for larger
:     Nicolas> applications.  -

: I completely disagree.  I routinely run several xterms, Emacs, and exmh over
: a 14.4K term connection.  A bit slow, but more than usable.
: Kevin                      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

    Agreed. It takes some time to initialize, to send some icons I suppose, but
after a while it works quite all right.
    I ran some demo that came with Xwindows on remote machine, and I redirected
the output to my local Xwin. The demo was drawing some lines . After a while,
I interrupted the demo and my local Xwindows were still drawing for almost
30 seconds. Funny. I think there is some buffer. But I don't know much about
it.

        Grac