Recommended Tape Drive & Software

Recommended Tape Drive & Software

Post by Chris Morto » Fri, 06 Apr 2001 23:21:19



I'm setting up a relatively low volume RH 7 mailserver for someone.  I'm
interested in users' recommendations regarding compatible tape backup
systems and backup software.  Travan, DAT, DLT?  Which would you recommend.
I don't want to spend a lot of money, but I want something which will
efficiently back up a moderate amount of data.

As far as backup software goes, I want something relatively easy to use, but
flexible and reliable.  The user is experienced with SCO Unix, but doesn't
want to spend all of his time learning and executing commands.  I'd like
something that will allow him to easily configure scheduled backups with a
minimum of effort.

Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

 
 
 

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Post by Joshua Baker-LePai » Fri, 06 Apr 2001 23:38:20



> I'm setting up a relatively low volume RH 7 mailserver for someone.  I'm
> interested in users' recommendations regarding compatible tape backup
> systems and backup software.  Travan, DAT, DLT?  Which would you recommend.
> I don't want to spend a lot of money, but I want something which will
> efficiently back up a moderate amount of data.

What's a "moderate" amount of data?  In general, I would recommend against
Travan -- the tapes are expensive, the drives are slow, and they get very
hot.  For about $1200 you could get an Exabyte Eliant 820 -- 7GB native on
cheap ($3-4) tapes.

Quote:> As far as backup software goes, I want something relatively easy to use, but
> flexible and reliable.  The user is experienced with SCO Unix, but doesn't
> want to spend all of his time learning and executing commands.  I'd like
> something that will allow him to easily configure scheduled backups with a
> minimum of effort.

I use amanda here.  There's some initial work setting it up, but once
you've got it running, you can pretty much forget about it (besides
changing tapes, of course).  Beyond that, a cron job and dump is pretty
fire-and-forget as well.

--
Joshua Baker-LePain
Department of Biomedical Engineering
Duke University

 
 
 

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Post by Carbo » Sat, 07 Apr 2001 06:29:04


On 5 Apr 2001 14:38:20 GMT, Joshua Baker-LePain



>> I'm setting up a relatively low volume RH 7 mailserver for someone.  I'm
>> interested in users' recommendations regarding compatible tape backup
>> systems and backup software.  Travan, DAT, DLT?  Which would you recommend.
>> I don't want to spend a lot of money, but I want something which will
>> efficiently back up a moderate amount of data.

>What's a "moderate" amount of data?  In general, I would recommend against
>Travan -- the tapes are expensive, the drives are slow, and they get very
>hot.  For about $1200 you could get an Exabyte Eliant 820 -- 7GB native on
>cheap ($3-4) tapes.

This is true, but if you are only backing up one server and don't need
a lot of tapes, then it's still much cheaper to go with a travan
drive.  A Seagate ide tape drive should only cost a couple of hundred
bucks, with tapes.

Quote:>> As far as backup software goes, I want something relatively easy to use, but
>> flexible and reliable.  The user is experienced with SCO Unix, but doesn't
>> want to spend all of his time learning and executing commands.  I'd like
>> something that will allow him to easily configure scheduled backups with a
>> minimum of effort.

>I use amanda here.  There's some initial work setting it up, but once
>you've got it running, you can pretty much forget about it (besides
>changing tapes, of course).  Beyond that, a cron job and dump is pretty
>fire-and-forget as well.

Taper is a curses based program that works well for single servers.
 
 
 

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Post by Christopher Morto » Sat, 07 Apr 2001 08:26:19


On 5 Apr 2001 14:38:20 GMT, Joshua Baker-LePain



>> I'm setting up a relatively low volume RH 7 mailserver for someone.  I'm
>> interested in users' recommendations regarding compatible tape backup
>> systems and backup software.  Travan, DAT, DLT?  Which would you recommend.
>> I don't want to spend a lot of money, but I want something which will
>> efficiently back up a moderate amount of data.

>What's a "moderate" amount of data?  In general, I would recommend against

Periodic small email messages with updated customer info.

Quote:>Travan -- the tapes are expensive, the drives are slow, and they get very
>hot.  For about $1200 you could get an Exabyte Eliant 820 -- 7GB native on
>cheap ($3-4) tapes.

You see the problem here is that's nearly six times the price of an
EIDE Travan drive.  It's tough to sell the price difference,
especially when the customer's needs are so small.

Quote:>I use amanda here.  There's some initial work setting it up, but once
>you've got it running, you can pretty much forget about it (besides
>changing tapes, of course).  Beyond that, a cron job and dump is pretty
>fire-and-forget as well.

I'll check that out.

Thanks.

--
S&W delenda est.

 
 
 

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Post by Joshua Baker-LePai » Sat, 07 Apr 2001 22:10:57



> On 5 Apr 2001 14:38:20 GMT, Joshua Baker-LePain

>>Travan -- the tapes are expensive, the drives are slow, and they get very
>>hot.  For about $1200 you could get an Exabyte Eliant 820 -- 7GB native on
>>cheap ($3-4) tapes.
> You see the problem here is that's nearly six times the price of an
> EIDE Travan drive.  It's tough to sell the price difference,
> especially when the customer's needs are so small.

Well, at least go with a SCSI Travan and a cheap UltraSCSI card (an
Adaptec 2930 is ~$90).  Backups are *important*, and I would never
willingly trust them to IDE.

Also, keep in mind that if you want to do archiving, your tape costs
are going to start rising very quickly with Travan.

--
Joshua Baker-LePain
Department of Biomedical Engineering
Duke University

 
 
 

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Post by Robert » Sat, 07 Apr 2001 23:25:39



> I'm setting up a relatively low volume RH 7 mailserver for someone.  I'm
> interested in users' recommendations regarding compatible tape backup
> systems and backup software.  Travan, DAT, DLT?  Which would you recommend.

I use a SCSI Travan tape (the entire suse 6.2 i on a scsi advansys)
and it goes fine, sure the tapes are not cheap, but they are robust
against e.g. dat.
3 gigaByte approx in 1 hour or so, using tar.
--
Saluti..Gr"usse..Salutations..Regards..Saludos..  Rag.Roberto Basville
http://basrob.firenze.net/

 
 
 

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Post by Frank Mil » Sat, 07 Apr 2001 23:48:14




>I'm setting up a relatively low volume RH 7 mailserver for someone.  I'm
>interested in users' recommendations regarding compatible tape backup
>systems and backup software.  Travan, DAT, DLT?  Which would you recommend.
>I don't want to spend a lot of money, but I want something which will
>efficiently back up a moderate amount of data.

>As far as backup software goes, I want something relatively easy to use, but
>flexible and reliable.  The user is experienced with SCO Unix, but doesn't
>want to spend all of his time learning and executing commands.  I'd like
>something that will allow him to easily configure scheduled backups with a
>minimum of effort.

>Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

You may want to consider a DVD-RAM drive.  About the same price as a Travan
drive of similar capacity, but you (theoretically) can mount the device,
and get far better access to individual files.  Media costs are lower, too,
and will probably get cheaper with time.  There are ATAPI (IDE) and SCSI
versions.  You can also use many of these to generate bootable CDROMs which
could serve as an emergency boot/restore device.  The only question involves
drivers/kernel compatibility.

        -frank
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Post by Chris Morto » Sun, 08 Apr 2001 04:09:47





> >I'm setting up a relatively low volume RH 7 mailserver for someone.  I'm
> >interested in users' recommendations regarding compatible tape backup
> >systems and backup software.  Travan, DAT, DLT?  Which would you
recommend.
> >I don't want to spend a lot of money, but I want something which will
> >efficiently back up a moderate amount of data.

> >As far as backup software goes, I want something relatively easy to use,
but
> >flexible and reliable.  The user is experienced with SCO Unix, but
doesn't
> >want to spend all of his time learning and executing commands.  I'd like
> >something that will allow him to easily configure scheduled backups with
a
> >minimum of effort.

> >Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

> You may want to consider a DVD-RAM drive.  About the same price as a
Travan
> drive of similar capacity, but you (theoretically) can mount the device,
> and get far better access to individual files.  Media costs are lower,
too,
> and will probably get cheaper with time.  There are ATAPI (IDE) and SCSI
> versions.  You can also use many of these to generate bootable CDROMs
which
> could serve as an emergency boot/restore device.  The only question
involves
> drivers/kernel compatibility.

The last time I looked, DVD-RAM drives were something like $2000.  What are
they running now?  A decent Travan drive runs in the $200-$300 range these
days.

Got any more information?  I'm interested.

Thanks.

 
 
 

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Post by Chris Morto » Sun, 08 Apr 2001 04:10:23




> > I'm setting up a relatively low volume RH 7 mailserver for someone.  I'm
> > interested in users' recommendations regarding compatible tape backup
> > systems and backup software.  Travan, DAT, DLT?  Which would you
recommend.

> I use a SCSI Travan tape (the entire suse 6.2 i on a scsi advansys)
> and it goes fine, sure the tapes are not cheap, but they are robust
> against e.g. dat.
> 3 gigaByte approx in 1 hour or so, using tar.

Thanks.
 
 
 

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Post by Chris Morto » Sun, 08 Apr 2001 04:12:14




> > On 5 Apr 2001 14:38:20 GMT, Joshua Baker-LePain

> >>Travan -- the tapes are expensive, the drives are slow, and they get
very
> >>hot.  For about $1200 you could get an Exabyte Eliant 820 -- 7GB native
on
> >>cheap ($3-4) tapes.

> > You see the problem here is that's nearly six times the price of an
> > EIDE Travan drive.  It's tough to sell the price difference,
> > especially when the customer's needs are so small.

> Well, at least go with a SCSI Travan and a cheap UltraSCSI card (an
> Adaptec 2930 is ~$90).  Backups are *important*, and I would never
> willingly trust them to IDE.

> Also, keep in mind that if you want to do archiving, your tape costs
> are going to start rising very quickly with Travan.

I don't have a problem with EIDE, but SCSI offers greater flexibility for
future expansion.  So I may recommend that he get a SCSI Travan drive.

Thanks.

 
 
 

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Post by Frank Mil » Sun, 08 Apr 2001 12:57:33








>> >I'm setting up a relatively low volume RH 7 mailserver for someone.  I'm
>> >interested in users' recommendations regarding compatible tape backup
>> >systems and backup software.  Travan, DAT, DLT?  Which would you
>recommend.
>> >I don't want to spend a lot of money, but I want something which will
>> >efficiently back up a moderate amount of data.

>> >As far as backup software goes, I want something relatively easy to use,
>but
>> >flexible and reliable.  The user is experienced with SCO Unix, but
>doesn't
>> >want to spend all of his time learning and executing commands.  I'd like
>> >something that will allow him to easily configure scheduled backups with
>a
>> >minimum of effort.

>> >Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

>> You may want to consider a DVD-RAM drive.  About the same price as a
>Travan
>> drive of similar capacity, but you (theoretically) can mount the device,
>> and get far better access to individual files.  Media costs are lower,
>too,
>> and will probably get cheaper with time.  There are ATAPI (IDE) and SCSI
>> versions.  You can also use many of these to generate bootable CDROMs
>which
>> could serve as an emergency boot/restore device.  The only question
>involves
>> drivers/kernel compatibility.

>The last time I looked, DVD-RAM drives were something like $2000.  What are
>they running now?  A decent Travan drive runs in the $200-$300 range these
>days.

>Got any more information?  I'm interested.

A quick assessment (via www.pricewatch.com) shows SCSI DVD-RAM drives from
$280 on up; ATAPI/IDE a bit more.  Toshiba and Panasonic (and perhaps others)
have devices in this range.

        -frank
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