>> I concur with the previous post though, don't get an integrated
>> get easily replaced standard components and even there don't go for the
>> dirt-cheap solution but proven technology. It boils down to the "buying
>> costs" vs. "Total Costs of Ownership" debate. You'll find out that the
>> single component system will have marginally higher up front costs but
>> you'll save a lot of money and work with better results in the long run.
> I'm curious as to why you suggest that, without knowing the intended
> usage. I've found that unless a person is planning on *, the
> highly-integrated solutions work just fine - *especially* with Linux on
> the machines. I have a number of "Book PC's" around here, which are about
> the cheapest (quality and price) that I've ever seen. Under Windows, they
> suck, but are usable. Under Linux, they're terrific. Nice, stable, and
> reasonably fast. The networking, video, and sound all work just dandy,
> without a single hiccup.
I agree that highly integrated tiny pcs are something nice and might
constitute a class on their own. I understood the poster that he wants a
standard midi tower system, cheapest. All the mini-systems that I know
of aren't really cheap...
As for my suggestions:
-Integrated network: just check how many people have problems with Realtek
cards... ;) The only other "regular" AFAICT is 3Com which might well be due
to the huge number of fakes flodding the market. Then you get slower data
transfer rate, highter cpu utilization and problems even when they're set up
-Integrated graphics: Speed is not the issue for 2D, but the signal quality
is usually worse. If you really want to work on that machine that is a
-Sound: I agree, integrated sound is ok for most people. Actually it's
becoming more expensive to buy mainboards *without* sound than the other way
Quote:> As long as you're not going to play Quake 3 on
> them, I haven't ever seen a reason not to use them. They're incredibly
> handy whenever I need to take one somewhere, it's like carrying a large
Thata is true but I don't think that you can get them cheaper than some
dirt-cheap duron model.
Quote:> On the other end of the quality scale, the 1U servers that I use have
> highly-integrated Tyan motherboards in them, and they work just as well.
> The only usability difference is that the Tyan boards, with an ATI Rage on
> them, have a bit more 3D power than the i810 solution in the book PC's.
1U servers are built for quality, the original poster wanted a dirt-cheap
system! Of course you can get high quality integrated solutions, but for a
Quote:> Of course, not all of the highly-integrated products work correctly, or
> even well - but that's just as true of "regular" hardware. ; ) If the
> video on one of those motherboards went out, I'd be screwed. Seeing as
> how I'm about 100 times more likely to have a power supply, fan, or memory
> stick go bad on me, I'm comfortable with that.
Ah, memory, my favourite topic... Get Infineon, they have 10 year warranty
and I've never had any sort of problems with them, something I can't say of
cheap no name memory.
Andreas Mattern andreas.mattern at ikm.uni-karlsruhe.de
Institut fuer Keramik im Maschinenbau Uni Karlsruhe
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and those who don't.