> >The "hang the machine" part is something I've never seen. I have seen 3
> >different IDE CD-RWs hang the IDE bus they were connected to during the
> >fixation process. This meant, if the CD-RW was on /dev/hdc , while
> >cdrecord displayed "Fixating...", /dev/hdd would be totally
> >hdparm settings made no difference in this behavior. If I had / and /usr
> >on /dev/hdd, and I tried to do almost anything while the CD-RW was
> >fixating, whatever process I tried to start would get stuck in state D
> >until fixation finished.
That's what I meant by "hang the machine". HTM=make comp inaccessible
for the duration of fixation which is not all that short. This does not
happen with scsi burners.
> >This is, I think, a problem with the IDE bus itself, in its pre-ATA100
> >incarnations. You probably know that the IDE bus is brain-damaged since
> >only one device per bus can be active at any given time. The behavior of
> >IDE CD-RWs while fixating is a great way to display this
> brain-damage. We
> >can only hope for serial ATA to deliver us from this, since real SCSI
> >devices are still absurdly priced.
Well, I stick with this compromise: small (18gb or less) SCSI disk for
booting and data (can be had for about $130), SCSI CDROMS and DVD
drives, ide drives for audio and video where you need space and crashing
is not as big a deal.
Unfortunately my 10k rpm SCSI drive is too noisy for a home comp but
I'm unwilling to dump it in favor of a quiet 5400 rpm ide drive
because I don't want unreliable drive holding OS & data :-(((((
> This is can agree with. With IDE, from what I understand, you really
> use more than one device at a time on each ribbon cable. That's why I
> always make sure the hard drive(s) are on one cable, and the burner
> (tape/zip) are on the other. It makes drive to drive copies difficult; I
What difficulties do you have with copying from one ide drive to
another? I have two on one channel in my home box and have no
problems whatsoever... The only time I get problems is when I
play some video and have another heavy IO user on the same drive. But
that's not specific to ide I guess and playing with -cache in mplayer
may help. No time to try it out yet.
> guess you would have to spring for another IDE card and get 2 more
> It would be nice if IDE limitations, 3.5" floppies and the crappy BIOs
> setup/limitations would die when the next-gen computer stuff comes into
Hmm, I've just got Toshiba S103 from Worst Buy for $750 (I know, it's
$650 now) and it does NOT have a floppy (though there is a slot for it).
I'm not sure I'm all that happy about this setup. The only ways outside
are through the modem or ethernet. I don't know how much of it works
just yet. But RedHat 7.3 surely does hang during PCMCIA detection :-]
Slackware 8.1 boots with no problems whatsoever and pcmcia command works.
Are CDROMs and harddisks on one channel in notebooks or they're
typically on separate channels? Or does it vary from one notebook model
> >With hardware, you typically get what you pay for. I did the same thing
> >you did about 2.5 years ago--replaced a dead Philips with the cheapest
> >Cendyne OfficeHacks had on hand. The Cendyne lasted for one week
> past its
> >warranty period before coughing up "Uncorrectable error. Additional
> >key indicates: tracking servo failure" left and right. So I use and
> >recommend Plextor drives, as I've had zero mechanical problems with mine
> >even 8 months after the warranty's expired. YMMV, of course.
> I suppose it depends how much you use the burner. The Yamaha lasted until
> it was obselete and if this one lasts a year until I get a DVD burner,
> would be fine. I guess if it dies I could always reinstall the old
Just make sure you get a DVD burner that can burn CD-Rs. You seem to be
assuming that all of them can do it but I suspect some(most?) don't.
I'd get a separate CD and DVD burners. CD burners are relatively
inexpensive and it will probably get a lot more mileage than DVD burner.
> again. :) The point I was trying to get across is that all the modern
> burners, cheap IDE or otherwise, work great in Linux.
It's a moot point, because they're crappy hardware as Matt had
explained. A sweet price/quality point for CD burners (ide or scsi) in
the US seem to be around $100. Can't comment on usb burners. Only
HP8200 seem to be supported by the kernel.