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CDRW Buy Decision - HP 8100I vs Plextor PX-R412CI

CDRW Buy Decision - HP 8100I vs Plextor PX-R412CI

Post by Frank Li » Mon, 01 Feb 1999 04:00:00



I don't think that plextor drive is a cd-rw.

Frank


> x-no-archive: yes

> I want to buy a new cd-rw drive which is cheap ($300 or less), fast (I'd
> like 4x write, at least 10x read), and linux and beos-friendly.   I'm
> going to use the drive for primarily for backup and a second hard
> drive.  I'm also going to use it for recording audio and video cds.  I'm
> be using the drive under Windows NT, Linux and Beos.  I've my choices to
> the Hewlett Packard 8100I and the Plextor PX-R412CI.  The two are both
> $300 on buy.com, and 4x write, and are both supported by xcdroast (does
> this mean they're supported  by Linux and Be?).

> I have a few questions before I buy - HELP!!!

> The plextor is scsi and the hp is EIDE - how much does this matter in
> speed?

> I'm confused about the speed of the two drive, the Plextor is 12X/4X
> and the HP is 24X/4X/2X - i know that they're both 4x write but what
> does the rest mean?  Which drive is faster?

> The plextor drive has one feature that the HP doesn't - CD-Resq, which
> "which allows you to make a bootable, mirror image of your hard drive
> for easy restoration of crashed systems.".  What this means to me is
> that I can make
> a copy of my hard drive, and boot from a cd - am I right?
> Does HP offer this also, and if not, should I make this a basis of my
> buying
> decision (can I make a bootable disk in another way)?

> Does anyone have experiences with either of these drives or buy.com?

> Does anyone have a general recommendation on which drive to buy, or
> any alternate drives that fit my feature list?

> Thanks,

> John

> Hewlett Packard 8100I:
> HP 24X/4X/2X REWRITABLE EIDE TRAY SURESTORE CD-WRITER 8100I
> http://www.buy.com/bc/noframes/product.asp?sku=793019&mscssid=UWA5AEH...

> http://www.hp.com/storage/cdwriter/8100.html

> Plextor PX-R412CI
> 12X/4X RECORDER SCSI TRAY PLEXWRITER W/CADDY & MAUALS
> http://www.buy.com/bc/noframes/product.asp?sku=601578&mscssid=UWA5AEH...

> http://www.plextor.com/412price.htm

> X-cdroast
> http://www.fh-muenchen.de/home/ze/rz/services/projects/xcdroast/e_0.9...

 
 
 
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CDRW Buy Decision - HP 8100I vs Plextor PX-R412CI

Post by David A. Frant » Mon, 01 Feb 1999 04:00:00


Hi No-spam

I have a 8100I running under NT4.0 SP4 and linux *.36 it works fine.
However I  will qualifiy that by saying that I have not used it as a writer
under Linux.

Also I have noticed the following issues under NT.    The drive performs
nicely under NT but the supplied software does have a problem with NT
Explorer.    It will crash Explorer from time to time when used with the
CDROM set to emulate a disk drive.    The unfortunate thing is I like using
it in this mode.    Thisa is a new piece of hardware for me and I really
havent tried many of the other features this drive is Capable of.

Under both operating systems the drive is fast! :)   By the way your price
is very good a hundered dollars less that my local cost a month ago.

Dave


>x-no-archive: yes

>I want to buy a new cd-rw drive which is cheap ($300 or less), fast (I'd
>like 4x write, at least 10x read), and linux and beos-friendly.   I'm
>going to use the drive for primarily for backup and a second hard
>drive.  I'm also going to use it for recording audio and video cds.  I'm
>be using the drive under Windows NT, Linux and Beos.  I've my choices to
>the Hewlett Packard 8100I and the Plextor PX-R412CI.  The two are both
>$300 on buy.com, and 4x write, and are both supported by xcdroast (does
>this mean they're supported  by Linux and Be?).

>I have a few questions before I buy - HELP!!!

>The plextor is scsi and the hp is EIDE - how much does this matter in
>speed?

>I'm confused about the speed of the two drive, the Plextor is 12X/4X
>and the HP is 24X/4X/2X - i know that they're both 4x write but what
>does the rest mean?  Which drive is faster?

>The plextor drive has one feature that the HP doesn't - CD-Resq, which
>"which allows you to make a bootable, mirror image of your hard drive
>for easy restoration of crashed systems.".  What this means to me is
>that I can make
>a copy of my hard drive, and boot from a cd - am I right?
>Does HP offer this also, and if not, should I make this a basis of my
>buying
>decision (can I make a bootable disk in another way)?

>Does anyone have experiences with either of these drives or buy.com?

>Does anyone have a general recommendation on which drive to buy, or
>any alternate drives that fit my feature list?

>Thanks,

>John

>Hewlett Packard 8100I:
>HP 24X/4X/2X REWRITABLE EIDE TRAY SURESTORE CD-WRITER 8100I
>http://www.buy.com/bc/noframes/product.asp?sku=793019&mscssid=UWA5AEH...
N4N000UM9469AEU34AB

>http://www.hp.com/storage/cdwriter/8100.html

>Plextor PX-R412CI
>12X/4X RECORDER SCSI TRAY PLEXWRITER W/CADDY & MAUALS
>http://www.buy.com/bc/noframes/product.asp?sku=601578&mscssid=UWA5AEH...
N4N000UM9469AEU34AB

>http://www.plextor.com/412price.htm

>X-cdroast
>http://www.fh-muenchen.de/home/ze/rz/services/projects/xcdroast/e_0.9...
riters.html


 
 
 
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CDRW Buy Decision - HP 8100I vs Plextor PX-R412CI

Post by Stuar » Mon, 01 Feb 1999 04:00:00


Check the Sony Spressa crx 100; same guts as the HP, somewhat different
software, a bit less expensive, I paid $310 at buycomp.com

>x-no-archive: yes

>I want to buy a new cd-rw drive which is cheap ($300 or less), fast (I'd
>like 4x write, at least 10x read), and linux and beos-friendly.   I'm
>going to use the drive for primarily for backup and a second hard
>drive.  I'm also going to use it for recording audio and video cds.  I'm
>be using the drive under Windows NT, Linux and Beos.  I've my choices to
>the Hewlett Packard 8100I and the Plextor PX-R412CI.  The two are both
>$300 on buy.com, and 4x write, and are both supported by xcdroast (does
>this mean they're supported  by Linux and Be?).

>I have a few questions before I buy - HELP!!!

>The plextor is scsi and the hp is EIDE - how much does this matter in
>speed?

>I'm confused about the speed of the two drive, the Plextor is 12X/4X
>and the HP is 24X/4X/2X - i know that they're both 4x write but what
>does the rest mean?  Which drive is faster?

>The plextor drive has one feature that the HP doesn't - CD-Resq, which
>"which allows you to make a bootable, mirror image of your hard drive
>for easy restoration of crashed systems.".  What this means to me is
>that I can make
>a copy of my hard drive, and boot from a cd - am I right?
>Does HP offer this also, and if not, should I make this a basis of my
>buying
>decision (can I make a bootable disk in another way)?

>Does anyone have experiences with either of these drives or buy.com?

>Does anyone have a general recommendation on which drive to buy, or
>any alternate drives that fit my feature list?

>Thanks,

>John

>Hewlett Packard 8100I:
>HP 24X/4X/2X REWRITABLE EIDE TRAY SURESTORE CD-WRITER 8100I
>http://www.buy.com/bc/noframes/product.asp?sku=793019&mscssid=UWA5AEH...
N4N000UM9469AEU34AB

>http://www.hp.com/storage/cdwriter/8100.html

>Plextor PX-R412CI
>12X/4X RECORDER SCSI TRAY PLEXWRITER W/CADDY & MAUALS
>http://www.buy.com/bc/noframes/product.asp?sku=601578&mscssid=UWA5AEH...
N4N000UM9469AEU34AB

>http://www.plextor.com/412price.htm

>X-cdroast
>http://www.fh-muenchen.de/home/ze/rz/services/projects/xcdroast/e_0.9...
riters.html

 
 
 
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CDRW Buy Decision - HP 8100I vs Plextor PX-R412CI

Post by Steve Carter KA4IQ » Mon, 01 Feb 1999 04:00:00



Quote:>Check the Sony Spressa crx 100; same guts as the HP, somewhat different
>software, a bit less expensive, I paid $310 at buycomp.com

I've been thinking about getting one of those after reading a couple of
reviews on them.  You can't always trust the reviewers though so I like to
get comments from users.  What do you think of it so far?

--
Steve Carter KA4IQD -

www.qsl.net/ka4iqd/
I may be in Ohio now but I still bleed blue.  University of Kentucky wildcat
blue that is.  1996/98 Men's NCAA Basketball Champions.

 
 
 
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CDRW Buy Decision - HP 8100I vs Plextor PX-R412CI

Post by Gernot Lach-Lu » Mon, 01 Feb 1999 04:00:00



wrote...

Quote:>I want to buy a new cd-rw drive which is cheap ($300 or less), fast (I'd
>like 4x write, at least 10x read), and linux and beos-friendly.   I'm
>going to use the drive for primarily for backup and a second hard
>drive.  I'm also going to use it for recording audio and video cds.  I'm
>be using the drive under Windows NT, Linux and Beos.  I've my choices to
>the Hewlett Packard 8100I and the Plextor PX-R412CI.  The two are both
>$300 on buy.com, and 4x write, and are both supported by xcdroast (does
>this mean they're supported  by Linux and Be?).

>I have a few questions before I buy - HELP!!!

>The plextor is scsi and the hp is EIDE - how much does this matter in
>speed?

Not one bit of difference.
 
 
 
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CDRW Buy Decision - HP 8100I vs Plextor PX-R412CI

Post by Edward M. Val » Tue, 02 Feb 1999 04:00:00



> x-no-archive: yes

> I want to buy a new cd-rw drive which is cheap ($300 or less), fast (I'd
> like 4x write, at least 10x read), and linux and beos-friendly.   I'm
> going to use the drive for primarily for backup and a second hard
> drive.  I'm also going to use it for recording audio and video cds.  I'm
> be using the drive under Windows NT, Linux and Beos.  I've my choices to
> the Hewlett Packard 8100I and the Plextor PX-R412CI.  The two are both
> $300 on buy.com, and 4x write, and are both supported by xcdroast (does
> this mean they're supported  by Linux and Be?).

Don't know about Be, but my 8100i works great with xcdroast under linux as
well as with Adaptec ECDC under Win98.

Quote:> I'm confused about the speed of the two drive, the Plextor is 12X/4X
> and the HP is 24X/4X/2X - i know that they're both 4x write but what
> does the rest mean?  Which drive is faster?

Looks like like the Plexor unit is not a RW drive.  The numbers for the HP
drive are Read(24x), Write(4x), and Re-Write(2x).

Ed.

 
 
 
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CDRW Buy Decision - HP 8100I vs Plextor PX-R412CI

Post by John Lindsa » Wed, 03 Feb 1999 04:00:00


I would recommend the Plextor. Plextor has a 12x read and a 4x write/rewrite speed. The HP has a
24x read, 4x write, and 2x rewrite. The major difference is that the Plextor is SCSI. This is
incredibly faster than the EIDE, considering you have other SCSI drives. The best configuration is
a SCSI CD-ROM and the SCSI Plextor drive. However, the programs will copy the CD info to your hard
drive if you don't have another CD-ROM drive. Yes, the mirror is a back up. You can boot from it,
providing your motherboard BIOS supports this. The best bet is to try to make a boot disk on a
floppy, and then copy other drivers to the hard drive. Then recopy from the CD-ROM you backed up
to. I have an HP SCSI drive, and with another CD-ROM it will copy right from the original to the
recordable CD. This prevents the slowdown of copying from CD to disk, back to CD. This is also the
recommended config. Hope this helps!

John


> x-no-archive: yes

> I want to buy a new cd-rw drive which is cheap ($300 or less), fast (I'd
> like 4x write, at least 10x read), and linux and beos-friendly.   I'm
> going to use the drive for primarily for backup and a second hard
> drive.  I'm also going to use it for recording audio and video cds.  I'm
> be using the drive under Windows NT, Linux and Beos.  I've my choices to
> the Hewlett Packard 8100I and the Plextor PX-R412CI.  The two are both
> $300 on buy.com, and 4x write, and are both supported by xcdroast (does
> this mean they're supported  by Linux and Be?).

> I have a few questions before I buy - HELP!!!

> The plextor is scsi and the hp is EIDE - how much does this matter in
> speed?

> I'm confused about the speed of the two drive, the Plextor is 12X/4X
> and the HP is 24X/4X/2X - i know that they're both 4x write but what
> does the rest mean?  Which drive is faster?

> The plextor drive has one feature that the HP doesn't - CD-Resq, which
> "which allows you to make a bootable, mirror image of your hard drive
> for easy restoration of crashed systems.".  What this means to me is
> that I can make
> a copy of my hard drive, and boot from a cd - am I right?
> Does HP offer this also, and if not, should I make this a basis of my
> buying
> decision (can I make a bootable disk in another way)?

> Does anyone have experiences with either of these drives or buy.com?

> Does anyone have a general recommendation on which drive to buy, or
> any alternate drives that fit my feature list?

> Thanks,

> John

> Hewlett Packard 8100I:
> HP 24X/4X/2X REWRITABLE EIDE TRAY SURESTORE CD-WRITER 8100I
> http://www.buy.com/bc/noframes/product.asp?sku=793019&mscssid=UWA5AEH...

> http://www.hp.com/storage/cdwriter/8100.html

> Plextor PX-R412CI
> 12X/4X RECORDER SCSI TRAY PLEXWRITER W/CADDY & MAUALS
> http://www.buy.com/bc/noframes/product.asp?sku=601578&mscssid=UWA5AEH...

> http://www.plextor.com/412price.htm

> X-cdroast
> http://www.fh-muenchen.de/home/ze/rz/services/projects/xcdroast/e_0.9...

 
 
 
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CDRW Buy Decision - HP 8100I vs Plextor PX-R412CI

Post by Lukas Ert » Thu, 04 Feb 1999 04:00:00



> I would recommend the Plextor. Plextor has a 12x read and a 4x
> write/rewrite speed.

AFAIK does the Plextor no Re-Writing. At least MINE does not ;-)


--
longlivebuzz

lukas.ertl's *Site
http://www.veryComputer.com/~a9404849

 
 
 
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Post by Walther Ligtvoe » Thu, 04 Feb 1999 04:00:00


Hello John,

According to documentation the Plextor is just a writer... not a
rewriter... the rest is accurate though... if you allready use scsi stay
with it... communicates a bit better....

I use the HP8100i though... bought it second hand for only $100,- and
since i don't have anything scsi.. ;-)

Grtx,

Walther

 
 
 
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#######################################################################
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