Dawit, it would be nice if You would include the old subject in the header
as its really different to assign the message correctly when You change the
subject completely. Please include something like "(was:
NVIDIA - the next SGI type company?)" in the header...
I wouldnt say that. Ok, IBM doesnt make Gfx machines like SGI does, butQuote:> Benjamin, first off the IBM installation is not quite the same thing
> as SGI.
HP btw. even offers some very good gfx with its Visualize Series which is
comparable to Octane...
Which shows You dont really know the RS/6000 product line (or HPs) whichQuote:> You can gang up any sort of machines and reach those same
> level of perofrmances given that you have adequate machines to do so.
> SGI makes self contained graphics subsystems while IBM has clustered
> its off the shelf highend machines to perform the same task. I used to
> have a cluster of four SUN450s doing "rust" modeling and now I do the
> same task on an ONYX, I agree the perofmance differnce is mostly
> negligible but I could do without the extra managment and
> configurations those sunboxes required which came "built for purpose"
> in an SGI. Graphics aside I would say SGI could compete directly with
> IBM,NEC...ETC in the non graphic arena and they would have the edge
> because IBM does not really have anything quite middle level.
ONYX is a gfx machine. ORIGIN is a server. Really not a bad one, but not theQuote:> Give me
> any machine which manufactures equivalent of a deskside ORIGIN or ONYX
> system other than the ES40 and you will see what im trying to get at.
The point is not that SGI has bad hardware, its that theyre not able to do
marketing successful. Changing the image is difficult and needs a very
careful hand to do it. SGI tried it with the sledgehammer and destroyed a
lot of trust their customer had. And if SGI cant satisfy the customers
needs they will change its supplier very fast....
Sure, but its only one point. Of course one can close his/hers eyes andQuote:> To your other argument stock prices are no sign of a companies quality
> or maket capitalisation. (e.g DELL)
You betcher bippy on that ... I'm just a dumb observer, but it makesQuote:
>I wouldnt say that. Ok, IBM doesnt make Gfx machines like SGI does, but
>SGI even makes servers and super computers like IBM does, so theyre
>comparable one way or the other...
>HP btw. even offers some very good gfx with its Visualize Series which is
>comparable to Octane...
>> in an SGI. Graphics aside I would say SGI could compete directly with
>> IBM,NEC...ETC in the non graphic arena and they would have the edge
>> because IBM does not really have anything quite middle level.
>Which shows You dont really know the RS/6000 product line (or HPs) which
>is very successful in this area (midrange to high end) and offers a really
>good performance compared to other vendors incl. SGI. Yes, in the gfx area
>SGI still has "the edge" (but the gap gets smaller and smaller from day to
>day!) but not in the non-gfx arena. SGI has some good offers here as have
>the other big names like HP, IBM and Sun, but the latter offer a better path
>for the future and seem to be more aware what their customers want...
> To your other argument stock prices are no sign of a companies quality
> or maket capitalisation. (e.g DELL)
> Dawit Fisseha
Besides the fact that I would hate if SGI stock would have to be traded
OTC, below a certain level the company may just be to tempting for the
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I need sources of comparisions between the SGI Challenge DM and the HP9000/G50
with similar configurations. Are there any publications that deal with these
type of machines?
please e-mail with any information....
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