KDE RPMs for Red Hat 5.2 ???

KDE RPMs for Red Hat 5.2 ???

Post by Neil Zanell » Mon, 08 Feb 1999 04:00:00



Hello,

I just installed Red Hat 5.2 and was disappointed not to find a running

version of KDE. Are there any KDE RPMs for Red Hat 5.2 out there?

The directory

"ftp://ftp.kde.org/pub/kde/stable/latest/distribution/rpm/RedHat-5.2"

is empty.

How come Red Hat 5.2 doesn't ship with KDE? Didn't Red Hat 5.1 include

KDE after all? Is it because they included Window Maker instead?

Is KDE incompatible with kernel 2.2.x and Red Hat 5.2 for some bizarre

reason? I still can't believe KDE wasn't part of their distribution.

Is there anywhere I can get the RPMs from?

 
 
 

KDE RPMs for Red Hat 5.2 ???

Post by Prasanth Kuma » Mon, 08 Feb 1999 04:00:00



> Hello,

> I just installed Red Hat 5.2 and was disappointed not to find a running

> version of KDE. Are there any KDE RPMs for Red Hat 5.2 out there?

> The directory

> "ftp://ftp.kde.org/pub/kde/stable/latest/distribution/rpm/RedHat-5.2"

> is empty.

> How come Red Hat 5.2 doesn't ship with KDE? Didn't Red Hat 5.1 include

> KDE after all? Is it because they included Window Maker instead?

> Is KDE incompatible with kernel 2.2.x and Red Hat 5.2 for some bizarre

> reason? I still can't believe KDE wasn't part of their distribution.

> Is there anywhere I can get the RPMs from?

The reason you couldn't find it is a little simpler. KDE v1.1 was just
recently released as of yesterday. So the "latest" directory is pointing
to an empty directory tree since the binaries aren't placed there yet.
I suggest you wait a few day and check again so that you can download
the
new version. If you can't wait, the get the stuff in the "1.1pre2"
directory
instead of "latest".

The reason Redhat didn't include KDE is for among many other reasons,
they
plan to include Gnome, a competitor to KDE. If you really want an
integrated
Redhat and KDE distribution, I suggest you look at Mandrake Linux.

--
Prasanth Kumar


 
 
 

KDE RPMs for Red Hat 5.2 ???

Post by Neil Zanell » Mon, 08 Feb 1999 04:00:00



> The reason Redhat didn't include KDE is for among many other reasons,
> they plan to include Gnome, a competitor to KDE.

That is not a very good reason since they already distribute
competing text editors, shells, mail clients, and window managers too.
I guess KDE would just have taken up too much space.

Anyway, I suppose no distribution has everything, and no matter what
distribution I get, I will always end up having to download stuff from
the web to get what I want on my system. A 10GB distribution of Linux
would be great: it would offer great choice and flexibility though it
would probably be a bit more expensive than the others. One of the
nice things about Linux is that unlike with M$, you get free software
with it. However, the more packages a distribution includes, the more
users are able to appreciate the size of the development effort in
the Linux community and its effectiveness in providing users with
variety and versatility.

 
 
 

KDE RPMs for Red Hat 5.2 ???

Post by Steve D. Perkin » Mon, 08 Feb 1999 04:00:00


    Hehe... another example of why I don't know why anyone would fork over
the cash for an "official" copy of RedHat.  You can get Cheapbytes
(www.cheapbytes.com) version of RedHat for $1.99 (they just download all
the freely available stuff and put it on CD to save you the trouble of
downloading it yourself).  The Cheapbytes version also comes with alot of
extra stuff (i.e. KDE!).

    You can buy the official RedHat Installation Guide (a pretty good book,
actually) for about $15... which means you can get a complete RedHat system
with documentation for less than half the price RedHat charges for the
priviledge of opening a shrink-wrapped box.  Well, I guess you do miss out
on their "90-days-only", "installation-issues-only", "email-only" tech
support... but you can get far better support anyway just by being a
regular subscriber to this newsgroup! <smile>

    It deeply troubled me to see in one of these reply posts the notion
that RedHat will be promoting Gnome over KDE.  I've seen and used both...
and while I understand that Gnome is not as far along in the development
process as KDE, what I've seen gives me the impression that it will NEVER
get to a point that I would like the product!

    All of corporate sponsorships and investments seem to point in the
direction of RedHat becoming the de facto standard for the Linux mainstream
(hehe... I don't know if I ever expected the Linux community to grow to the
point where we might have a "mainstream" demographic!).  I hope that KDE
doesn't get "Macintosh"-ed (when a superior product falls into obscurity
because it isn't as widely distributed).

Steve

 
 
 

KDE RPMs for Red Hat 5.2 ???

Post by Andreas Schyma » Tue, 09 Feb 1999 04:00:00



> Hello,

> version of KDE. Are there any KDE RPMs for Red Hat 5.2 out there?

> The directory

> "ftp://ftp.kde.org/pub/kde/stable/latest/distribution/rpm/RedHat-5.2"

> is empty.
> Is there anywhere I can get the RPMs from?

Well, the ftp-directory you mentioned is the right one, it's just that
the new version of KDE (1.1) was just released and the guys at KDE
haven't hade the timw yet to make rpm's for you. However, if you are
really anxious to get KDE you could either download an earlier release
(1.1pre2 at
ftp://ftp.kde.org/pub/kde/stable/1.1pre2/distribution/rpm/RedHat-5.2/...)
or you could download the .src.tar.gz's from
ftp://ftp.kde.org/pub/kde/stable/1.1/distribution/tar/generic/source/
and compile them manually.
Concerning the issue why RedHat 5.2 doesn't come with KDE, I have no
clue. However I still don't think that it is anything that I "can't
belive".
For me it's like KDE isn't that big deal anyway. It comes with some
great apps, but the environment is a hog when it comes to memory
consuming. I still prefer the fast and stable WindowMaker. Besides, KDE
is to much like Windows, but hey, it's your choice and I think the guys
at KDE makes a great effort in providing a easy look for everyone
converting from Windows to Linux.

Andreas Schyman

 
 
 

KDE RPMs for Red Hat 5.2 ???

Post by Erik Olso » Tue, 09 Feb 1999 04:00:00



Quote:>     It deeply troubled me to see in one of these reply posts the notion
> that RedHat will be promoting Gnome over KDE.  I've seen and used both...
> and while I understand that Gnome is not as far along in the development
> process as KDE, what I've seen gives me the impression that it will NEVER
> get to a point that I would like the product!

Now that the Qt license issue is fixed, the big question is what is going
to be on the Red Hat 6.0 release which I heard is due in March?

If Red Hat puts KDE and Qt on its CD along with Gnome, then hats off to
the folks at Red Hat.  They will prove to world that they truely have
the end users best interests at heart.  If KDE and Qt are missing then
the Linux doomsayers have been right and its time to switch to another
distribution!  We will have to wait and see.

My guess is we'll see KDE and Qt on the RH distro simply because it makes
good business sense to do so, and Red Hat is after all in the business to
make money.

erik olson

 
 
 

KDE RPMs for Red Hat 5.2 ???

Post by Matthias Wark » Wed, 10 Feb 1999 04:00:00


It was the 08 Feb 1999 18:05:40 GMT...

Quote:> If Red Hat puts KDE and Qt on its CD along with Gnome, then hats off to
> the folks at Red Hat.  They will prove to world that they truely have
> the end users best interests at heart.  If KDE and Qt are missing then
> the Linux doomsayers have been right and its time to switch to another
> distribution!  We will have to wait and see.

Even if they don't package KDE, it won't be the end of the world.
Must a distribution be a kitchen sink?
No. Choice is good. Both KDE and Gnome in one CD set is good. But it's
not like packaging just one of the is a political statement, for
Chrissakes!

And since they're both GPLed, well... what would be Red Hat's benefit
if they packaged only Gnome?

mawa
--
Every woman and every man should at least try to keep in mind through
their whole life just how incredibly bad one is able to feel during
puberty.
                                                                -- mawa

 
 
 

KDE RPMs for Red Hat 5.2 ???

Post by snevel+use.. » Thu, 11 Feb 1999 04:00:00



> How come Red Hat 5.2 doesn't ship with KDE? Didn't Red Hat 5.1 include
> KDE after all? Is it because they included Window Maker instead?

My understanding (I can't remember where I read this) is that while
KDE *is* GPled, the supporting toolkit library (QT from Troll Tech)
is not.  While the QT license allows free distribution it requires that
you provide the source of *your* application in addition to the QT
source.  If you don't provide source you have to pay the Troll folk
a license fee.

There must be some component of the boxed set that RH sells that they
won't provide source for (I *don't* know what that component is), so
they don't bundle KDE because KDE uses QT.

Simeon