FREE FRED ZIFFEL! NO JUSTICE, NO PEACE! (Was re: Airnews policy: four newsgroups is excessive crossposting)

FREE FRED ZIFFEL! NO JUSTICE, NO PEACE! (Was re: Airnews policy: four newsgroups is excessive crossposting)

Post by Disco Bo » Tue, 25 Apr 2000 04:00:00



hoKEy wOLf wrote:

> In article <8e1ocm$8q...@mews.databasix.com>, the portable jim carleton
> <coleri...@usenet-performance-arto.rg> wrote:

> > This, from Fred Levi-Addison:

> > >"tom" <big...@duh.com> enjoys the great taste of beef:

> > >>More TV less talk
> > >>"nebulax" <nebu...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
> > >>news:8doshq$f00$1@nnrp1.deja.com...
> > >>> In article <sfs1g21aeoc...@corp.supernews.com>,
> > >>>   Spamster <"uce"=?iso-8859-1?Q?=40ftc=2Eg=F6v=3E?= wrote:

> > >>> > Doktor Pete wrote:

> > >>> > > I shit you not, x...@y.com (?Y|??Y) had the nerve to write
> > >>> > > <8dgs4g$5a...@mews.databasix.com>:

> > >>> > > >This is your brain.   Fred Ziffel  is your brain on drugs.  Any
> > >>questions?

> > >>> > > >%On Mon, 17 Apr 2000 21:40:15 GMT, x...@y.com (weretoaster) wrote:
> > >>> > > >%
> > >>> > > >%>This is your brain.   Emperor James of APDD  is your brain on
> > >>drugs.  Any
> > >>> > > >%>questions?
> > >>> > > >%>
> > >>> > > >%>%teh killre roabat coednaemd cip...@lart.com (Cipher) on teh
> > >>spaecsihp
> > >>> > > >%>%alt.usenet.kooks isseud teh fllowign commnad:
> > >>> > > >%>%
> > >>> > > >%>%>In article <8dfvnc$t4...@mews.databasix.com>,

> > >>>%>%>jre---!!!!!!===IMPERIAL-SPAMBLOCK===!!!!!!...@jre.hostingcheck.com
> > >>> > > >%>%>(Emperor James of APDD) wrote:
> > >>> > > >%>%>
> > >>> > > >%>%>> teh killre roabat coednaemd x...@y.com (weretoaster) on teh
> > >>spaecsihp
> > >>> > > >%>%>> airnews.general isseud teh fllowign commnad:
> > >>> > > >%>%>>
> > >>> > > >%>%>> >This is your brain.   Sergi  is your brain on drugs.  Any
> > >>questions?
> > >>> > > >%>%>> >
> > >>> > > >%>%>> >%I was like "Oh my GOD!  No WAY!"  And so then Fred
> > >>> > > >Ziffel
> > >>> > > >%>%>> >%<zif...@warez.rom.org> totally goes like:
> > >>> > > >%>%>> >%
> > >>> > > >%>%>> >%>[Cross posted to airnews.general because their web page
> > >>> > > >at
> > >>> > > >%>%>> >%>http://www.airmail.net/help/abuse_policy.html does not
> > >>mention
> > >>> > > >%>%>> >anywhere %>that four newsgroups is excessive
> > >>> > > >crossposting.]
> > >>> > > >%>%>> >%>
> > >>> > > >%>%>> >%>I just got of the phone with a guy from Airnews named
> > >>> > > >Bill.
> > >>The
> > >>> > > >%>%>> >reason I %>called him is because my Airnews account
> > >>> > > >(account
> > >>number
> > >>> > > >%>%>> >127428) was %>cancelled last week after someone from the
> > >>newsgroup
> > >>> > > >%>%>> >%>alt.pizza.delivery.drivers complained about a post I
> > >>> > > >made
> > >>there. My
> > >>> > > >%>%>> >post %>was also crossposted to alt.usenet.kooks,
> > >>> > > >alt.romath,
> > >>and
> > >>> > > >%>%>> >%>alt.fan.karl-malden.nose.
> > >>> > > >%>%>> >%>
> > >>> > > >%>%>> >%>For those of you who are not aware of it, there is
> > >>> > > >currently
> > >>a
> > >>> > > >%>%>> >flame war %>going on in alt.pizza.delivery.drivers. You
> > >>> > > >may
> > >>read
> > >>> > > >%>%>> >about in in %>news.admin.net-abuse.usenet in the threads
> > >>"Chuck Demas
> > >>> > > >%>%>> >for DARTH BAWL", %>"abuse metrics", "stiffme...@aol.com
> > >>> > > >makes
> > >>enemies
> > >>> > > >%>%>> >out of friends (was: Re: %>Let's take back APDD for the
> > >>drivers)",
> > >>> > > >%>%>> >and "jre.hostingcheck.com doesn't %>care about usenet
> > >>> > > >rules"
> > >>if
> > >>> > > >%>%>> >you're interested. %>
> > >>> > > >%>%>> >%>My gripe is not about their policy of defining
> > >>> > > >excessive
> > >>> > > >%>%>> >crossposting as %>being more than three newsgroups,
> > >>> > > >although I
> > >>will
> > >>> > > >%>%>> >say that it seems a bit %>restrictive. My complaint is
> > >>> > > >that,
> > >>until my
> > >>> > > >%>%>> >account was cancelled, and even %>after it was cancelled,
> > >>> > > >I
> > >>was never
> > >>> > > >%>%>> >given their definition of excessive %>crossposting. I had
> > >>> > > >to
> > >>call
> > >>> > > >%>%>> >long distance to find this out, because their %>abuse
> > >>> > > >policy
> > >>page
> > >>> > > >%>%>> >above doesn't define it either. %>
> > >>> > > >%>%>> >%>I am also a bit disappointed that my account was
> > >>> > > >cancelled
> > >>without
> > >>> > > >%>%>> >any kind %>of notice or warning whatsoever. I have
> > >>> > > >crossposted
> > >>> > > >%>%>> >before, sometimes to as %>many as six newsgroups, and
> > >>> > > >never
> > >>once
> > >>> > > >%>%>> >heard from anyone at Airnews %>regarding it. Since they
> > >>> > > >never
> > >>said
> > >>> > > >%>%>> >anything, I made the mistake of %>presuming that they
> > >>considered
> > >>> > > >%>%>> >excessive crossposting to be something like %>ten or more
> > >>newsgroups.
> > >>> > > >%>%>> >%>
> > >>> > > >%>%>> >%>Had someone from Airnews taken a moment to tell me what
> > >>their
> > >>> > > >%>%>> >definition of %>excessive crossposting is, since it's not
> > >>defined on
> > >>> > > >%>%>> >their abuse policy %>page, I would have known not to post
> > >>> > > >to
> > >>more
> > >>> > > >%>%>> >than three groups at a time %>and thus this problem would
> > >>> > > >have
> > >>been
> > >>> > > >%>%>> >avoided. %>
> > >>> > > >%>%>> >%>Several colleagues of mine took the time to send email
> > >>> > > >to
> > >>Airnews
> > >>> > > >%>%>> >asking %>them to reconsider my account cancellation. Some
> > >>> > > >of
> > >>them
> > >>> > > >%>%>> >received unkind %>responses stating that their email
> > >>constituted
> > >>> > > >%>%>> >abusive behavior and that %>any future email from them
> > >>> > > >would
> > >>be
> > >>> > > >%>%>> >reported to their ISP. %>
> > >>> > > >%>%>> >%>It is my OPINION that Airnews doesn't state what they
> > >>consider to
> > >>> > > >%>%>> >be %>excessive crossposting on their abuse policy page at
> > >>> > > >%>%>> >%>http://www.airmail.net/help/abuse_policy.html because
> > >>> > > >it
> > >>enables
> > >>> > > >%>%>> >them to %>cancel accounts based upon the *content* of the
> > >>posts while
> > >>> > > >%>%>> >being able to %>fall back on "excessive crossposting" as
> > >>> > > >the
> > >>official
> > >>> > > >%>%>> >reason given. %>
> > >>> > > >%>%>> >%>It is also my OPINION that the Airnews policy of not
> > >>contacting
> > >>> > > >%>%>> >customers %>when a complaint is made against them exists
> > >>> > > >so
> > >>that
> > >>> > > >%>%>> >Airnews can cancel %>accounts based upon the *content* of
> > >>posts. If
> > >>> > > >%>%>> >they wanted to stop my %>"excessive crossposting", one
> > >>> > > >email
> > >>warning
> > >>> > > >%>%>> >me would have been sufficient. %>
> > >>> > > >%>%>> >%>I do not expect that Airnews will reinstate my account,
> > >>especially
> > >>> > > >%>%>> >given %>the *content* of this post. However, I believe
> > >>> > > >that
> > >>someone
> > >>> > > >%>%>> >should inform %>Airnews customers of the official Airnews
> > >>policies,
> > >>> > > >%>%>> >since, in my OPINION, %>Airnews can't be bothered to do
> > >>> > > >it
> > >>> > > >%>%>> >themselves. %
> > >>> > > >%>%>> >%Fuckheads.
> > >>> > > >%>%>> >Netcops.
> > >>> > > >%>%>> >
> > >>> > > >%>%>> >
> > >>> > > >%>%>> >
> > >>> > > >%>%>> >(cmsg newgroup alt.martyr.fred-ziffel)
> > >>> > > >%>%>>
> > >>> > > >%>%>> SUBSCRIB
> > >>> > > >%>%>
> > >>> > > >%>%>SUBSCRIBE
> > >>> > > >%>%
> > >>> > > >%>%SUBSCRIBE!
> > >>> > > >%>
> > >>> > > >%>ME TOO!
> > >>> > > >%
> > >>> > > >%SUBSCIRBE !!!!!127428!!!!!!!!

> > >>> > > >AD ME TO YUOR LITS

> > >>> > > [updating .newsrc]

> > >>> > Ditto!

> > >>> I agree with this newsgroup.

> > >Is there, like, a number I can call, or something?

> > 3

> bill gates may outlaw the number three, at which time we'll have to use
> Microsoft's own proprietary number "pog udfan"

This does not bode well for open source counting systems.

-Disco Bob

 
 
 

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