Caldera Preview II

Caldera Preview II

Post by jsie.. » Thu, 12 Oct 1995 04:00:00



Has anyone gotten Preview II? I thought I saw a post that someone had received
it last week. I still have not received it. (Yes, I did send in the registration
with Preview I.)

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Post by jcwe.. » Sat, 14 Oct 1995 04:00:00


Quote:>Has anyone gotten Preview II? I thought I saw a post that someone had received

Got mine yesterday.  When I get the kids off the computer long enough
I will install and see how it is.

 
 
 

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Post by Ron Ho » Sat, 14 Oct 1995 04:00:00





>>The desktop stuff is slooow at this stage.  
>>A 486/33 w/16megs -- "maybe I didn't d-click fast enough"
>>= 5 copies of a xterm.

This often happens after a reboot before any disk pages are cached.  On most
of the machines I've used, the performance of the desktop has been quite
reasonable.

Quote:>I don't think this is going to fly.  I can't imagine trying to start
>up statically linked motif Wordperfect, after already starting Linux,
>X, fvwm, the desktop manager, all kinds of daemons, etc.  It's just
>so incredibly bloated even compared to OS/2, and certainly to Windows.

Partially true.  The version of WordPerfect for Linux will be dynamically
linked and the Motif libraries included as part of the forthcoming "bundle".
Dynamically linked versions of other components that we ship that use Motif
will also be provided.

Quote:>The other major problem for Linux, or any company trying to
>commercialize Linux for a PC environment, is that there are no decent
>GUI SDK's out there along with a development environment.  As it is
>now, there is GUI chaos:  archaic Athena junk, tcl/tk, statically
>linked Motif, hacked/tweaked GUIS (like emacs), fvwm's GUI hacks, the
>Visix proprietary stuff used to make the desktop manager, etc.

Yes, there are lots of people writing code and they have lots of choices
of GUI SDKs.  It would be nice if someday Motif was universally available
(perhaps via LessTif).

Quote:>I onced asked what tools they have available, or what tools they could
>recommend to develop new software for Caldera.  They didn't really have
>any idea at that point.  Statically linked motif seems to be the only
>viable option right now for professional looking programs, and you
>know how easy it is to write C motif programs (and how bloated they are
>to run on a PC).

Again, we will be shipping a product with the run-time Motif libraries bundled
in.  The incremental cost of the run-time only Motif libraries isn't as much
as the full developer's versions of Motif that are on the market.

Quote:>An OS needs one good GUI which pretty much everything should use to cut
>down on memory consumption, clutter, and generally inconsistent
>behavior.  They also need an object oriented development tool available
>like OWL or MFC, along with a development environment (commercially
>supported) to aid in writing programs for Caldera.  As it is now,
>Caldera just doesn't cut it, but I hope they come up with something
>relatively revolutionary to win people over.

Stay tuned.

Ron

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Post by infohwy.com!jcwe.. » Sun, 15 Oct 1995 04:00:00


Quote:>Has anyone gotten Preview II? I thought I saw a post that someone had received

Got mine yesterday.  When I get the kids off the computer long enough
I will install and see how it is.
 
 
 

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Post by Mark J. Dulc » Sun, 15 Oct 1995 04:00:00




>I don't think this is going to fly.  I can't imagine trying to start
>up statically linked motif Wordperfect, after already starting Linux,
>X, fvwm, the desktop manager, all kinds of daemons, etc.  It's just
>so incredibly bloated even compared to OS/2, and certainly to Windows.

>The other major problem for Linux, or any company trying to
>commercialize Linux for a PC environment, is that there are no decent
>GUI SDK's out there along with a development environment.  As it is
>now, there is GUI chaos:  archaic Athena junk, tcl/tk, statically
>linked Motif, hacked/tweaked GUIS (like emacs), fvwm's GUI hacks, the
>Visix proprietary stuff used to make the desktop manager, etc.

>I onced asked what tools they have available, or what tools they could
>recommend to develop new software for Caldera.  They didn't really have
>any idea at that point.  Statically linked motif seems to be the only
>viable option right now for professional looking programs, and you
>know how easy it is to write C motif programs (and how bloated they are
>to run on a PC).

The Caldera bundle (the one with applications such as WordPerfect, not
just the operating system) will use a shared Motif library -- possible
because the price tag includes a Motif license for the user; you can
use it for your own or other applications as well.  A less expensive
licensing option for Motif (including, perhaps, a runtime-only option)
would certainly be one way to make commercial applications of
reasonable size possible.

Of course, LessTif may be an alternative someday.  But it isn't ready
yet.

 
 
 

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Post by Steve Full » Mon, 16 Oct 1995 04:00:00




Quote:>I got it on the 11th (only 10 days late).  Tried installing it last
>night (after running the Perl scripts to make "upgrade" boot disks - the
>scripts worked very well, thank you very much) and it (the X based
>installation) hung.  It hangs after the point where it says "Scanning
>installed packages" (or something like that).

I had better luck with the X install myself. It didn't work the first time,
but going through and manually setting up my video card monitor and mouse
worked. The X install was smart enough to figure out that I had a dos
partition, and automatically add it to my lilo.conf (which is more than I can
say for the text based install...)

Suggestion to the Caldera folks:
Make the X install the default, and ask people what monitor, card, and mouse
they have instead of autoprobing. (my $0.02 worth).

Steve Fuller  - INS Volunteer Support Geek and Mascot

Husband to Kathy, Father to Conor, slave to the almighty Dollar

 
 
 

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Post by sfuller%worf.netins... » Mon, 16 Oct 1995 04:00:00



: : Has anyone gotten Preview II? I thought I saw a post that someone
: : had received it last week. I still have not received it. (Yes, I did
: : send in the registration with Preview I.)

: Have not received my copy yet, but did get a confirmation of the ship

I received my copy on Wednesday October 11th. I'm in the center of Iowa.
Haven't decided if it's better than Preview I yet or not.

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Post by pynq%midway.uchicago... » Mon, 16 Oct 1995 04:00:00







>   Has anyone gotten Preview II? I thought I saw a post that someone
>   had received it last week. I still have not received it. (Yes, I did
>   send in the registration with Preview I.)

>I cheated -- I was visiting a friend in Utah, so I stopped by Orem and
>picked my copy up.  :)

I got it on the 11th (only 10 days late).  Tried installing it last
night (after running the Perl scripts to make "upgrade" boot disks - the
scripts worked very well, thank you very much) and it (the X based
installation) hung.  It hangs after the point where it says "Scanning
installed packages" (or something like that).

I'm assuming that it hung because it just sits there with nothing
onscreen, just the X mouse cursor, and no disk or CD activity.

Anyway, I'm going to try the text based install next.

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Post by sfuller%netins... » Mon, 16 Oct 1995 04:00:00




Quote:>I got it on the 11th (only 10 days late).  Tried installing it last
>night (after running the Perl scripts to make "upgrade" boot disks - the
>scripts worked very well, thank you very much) and it (the X based
>installation) hung.  It hangs after the point where it says "Scanning
>installed packages" (or something like that).

I had better luck with the X install myself. It didn't work the first time,
but going through and manually setting up my video card monitor and mouse
worked. The X install was smart enough to figure out that I had a dos
partition, and automatically add it to my lilo.conf (which is more than I can
say for the text based install...)

Suggestion to the Caldera folks:
Make the X install the default, and ask people what monitor, card, and mouse
they have instead of autoprobing. (my $0.02 worth).

Steve Fuller  - INS Volunteer Support Geek and Mascot

Husband to Kathy, Father to Conor, slave to the almighty Dollar

 
 
 

Caldera Preview II

Post by nelson%crynwr.crynwr.com%f41.n109 » Mon, 16 Oct 1995 04:00:00


   Has anyone gotten Preview II? I thought I saw a post that someone
   had received it last week. I still have not received it. (Yes, I did
   send in the registration with Preview I.)

I cheated -- I was visiting a friend in Utah, so I stopped by Orem and
picked my copy up.  :)

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Post by p.. » Mon, 16 Oct 1995 04:00:00







>   Has anyone gotten Preview II? I thought I saw a post that someone
>   had received it last week. I still have not received it. (Yes, I did
>   send in the registration with Preview I.)

>I cheated -- I was visiting a friend in Utah, so I stopped by Orem and
>picked my copy up.  :)

I got it on the 11th (only 10 days late).  Tried installing it last
night (after running the Perl scripts to make "upgrade" boot disks - the
scripts worked very well, thank you very much) and it (the X based
installation) hung.  It hangs after the point where it says "Scanning
installed packages" (or something like that).

I'm assuming that it hung because it just sits there with nothing
onscreen, just the X mouse cursor, and no disk or CD activity.

Anyway, I'm going to try the text based install next.

************************************************************************
God is not dead!  He's alive and autographing bibles at Cody's


          hundreds, if not thousands, of dollars, every time he posts -
************************************************************************
rwvpf wpnrrj ibf ijrfer

 
 
 

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Post by sful.. » Mon, 16 Oct 1995 04:00:00




Quote:>I got it on the 11th (only 10 days late).  Tried installing it last
>night (after running the Perl scripts to make "upgrade" boot disks - the
>scripts worked very well, thank you very much) and it (the X based
>installation) hung.  It hangs after the point where it says "Scanning
>installed packages" (or something like that).

I had better luck with the X install myself. It didn't work the first time,
but going through and manually setting up my video card monitor and mouse
worked. The X install was smart enough to figure out that I had a dos
partition, and automatically add it to my lilo.conf (which is more than I can
say for the text based install...)

Suggestion to the Caldera folks:
Make the X install the default, and ask people what monitor, card, and mouse
they have instead of autoprobing. (my $0.02 worth).

Steve Fuller  - INS Volunteer Support Geek and Mascot

Husband to Kathy, Father to Conor, slave to the almighty Dollar

 
 
 

Caldera Preview II

Post by nelson%crynwr.crynwr.com%f41.n109 » Mon, 16 Oct 1995 04:00:00


   Has anyone gotten Preview II? I thought I saw a post that someone
   had received it last week. I still have not received it. (Yes, I did
   send in the registration with Preview I.)

I cheated -- I was visiting a friend in Utah, so I stopped by Orem and
picked my copy up.  :)

--

Crynwr Software   | Crynwr Software sells packet driver support | PGP ok
11 Grant St.      | +1 315 268 1925 (9201 FAX)  | Jesus Christ looked pretty
Potsdam, NY 13676 |  much like today's average Middle-Eastern terrorist.

 
 
 

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Post by pynq%midway.uchicago.edu%f41.n109 » Mon, 16 Oct 1995 04:00:00







>   Has anyone gotten Preview II? I thought I saw a post that someone
>   had received it last week. I still have not received it. (Yes, I did
>   send in the registration with Preview I.)

>I cheated -- I was visiting a friend in Utah, so I stopped by Orem and
>picked my copy up.  :)

I got it on the 11th (only 10 days late).  Tried installing it last
night (after running the Perl scripts to make "upgrade" boot disks - the
scripts worked very well, thank you very much) and it (the X based
installation) hung.  It hangs after the point where it says "Scanning
installed packages" (or something like that).

I'm assuming that it hung because it just sits there with nothing
onscreen, just the X mouse cursor, and no disk or CD activity.

Anyway, I'm going to try the text based install next.

************************************************************************
God is not dead!  He's alive and autographing bibles at Cody's


          hundreds, if not thousands, of dollars, every time he posts -
************************************************************************
rwvpf wpnrrj ibf ijrfer

 
 
 

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Post by sfuller%netins.net%f41.n109.z1.hi » Mon, 16 Oct 1995 04:00:00




Quote:>I got it on the 11th (only 10 days late).  Tried installing it last
>night (after running the Perl scripts to make "upgrade" boot disks - the
>scripts worked very well, thank you very much) and it (the X based
>installation) hung.  It hangs after the point where it says "Scanning
>installed packages" (or something like that).

I had better luck with the X install myself. It didn't work the first time,
but going through and manually setting up my video card monitor and mouse
worked. The X install was smart enough to figure out that I had a dos
partition, and automatically add it to my lilo.conf (which is more than I can
say for the text based install...)

Suggestion to the Caldera folks:
Make the X install the default, and ask people what monitor, card, and mouse
they have instead of autoprobing. (my $0.02 worth).

Steve Fuller  - INS Volunteer Support Geek and Mascot

Husband to Kathy, Father to Conor, slave to the almighty Dollar