FRANKEN: Bericht ueber 1st Linux Stammtisch

FRANKEN: Bericht ueber 1st Linux Stammtisch

Post by Iain L » Sat, 06 Aug 1994 17:41:23



Wilkommen zum linux stammtisch

login: linux
password: stammtisch

$ cat /doc/intro

[ Note: this message is in English & Deutsch. Sorry for posting it to d.c.o.l ]
[ $ flames > /dev/null  Any mistakes are mine and mine alone. ]

The 1st linux treff in Franken was held in a 'huhnestahl' in Kreigenbrunn
near Erlangen on 26 August from 18:30 to ~01:00. After expecting ~10 people
we were more than suprised when 32 people eventually turned up. There was
beer, saft and enough to eat for everyone while they talked.

I started the talk by stating that the combination of linux and networking
is a good choice today for people connecting to the 'net' and also to escape
from the 'gates of hell'. The follow-on talks then provied more details in
both areas. Ralf and Stefan talked about the various distributions (lst,
slackware etc.) in the Linux world and present and future developments.
This was then followed by Erik Troan who talked about his work with the
ftp archive sunsite.unc.edu. Later a little was heard from various groups in
franken that offer network access (mail, news, IP etc.)

We all (?) had a very enjoyable evening and I for one will be repeating it
in the near future. It has come to our attention that the 26.08 was a
vollmund and that future meeting should be held only on nights with a vollmund.
Comments on the dates 23. Aug., 20. Sept., 25. Okt., 22. Nov., 20. Dez. are
welcome. For more info see the end of this posting.

$ cat /doc/distributions

Ralf and Stefan talked about the various distributions that exist in the
Linux world today. They talked about why linux LST exists, its past and its
future. The next version will be available with configurable language support
when installing (ie. german, english etc.). They noted that LST priorities
are to have good user documentation and a stable kernel (not bleeding edge).

Ralf also had an idea to provide a package that allows easy connection to
all local network providers ie., ready to run setup scripts for uucp, mail,
news and fido feeds. He wants the network providers to check the scripts
for accuracy. I think this would be an excellant idea and save all concerned
a lot of time. Ralfs idea is attached below as he typed it (german):

Grund: Linux Stammtisch und viele Leute, die mich nach Netzanschluss
bzw. News-/Mailanschluss fragen, nachdem Sie Linux installiert haben.

Absicht: Informationen aus erster Quelle zu bekommen und daraus eventuell ein
"Easy-hook-on-the-net-kit" zu bauen, das man als Paket zur Linux Distribution
anbieten koennte, und das Standard-Anbindungen moeglichst per automatischer
Konfiguration vereinfacht. Zumindest mal zunaechst fuer Endpunkte (a la FIDO
points), die nur pollen. Am besten Loesungen fuer Freenet, franken.de,
nbg.sub.org, FIDO, und was es sonst noch so hier gibt. A la "feed, hub, polls
abfragen" und dann direkt sich ins Netz einklinken, auch fuer Newbies. Dazu
brauche ich natuerlich auch besonders Eure Hilfe, da Ihr Euch in Eurem Bereich
natuerlich jeweils besonders gut auskennt. Im Linux Bereich kuemmere ich mich
dann darum.

$ cat /doc/guest-speaker

Eric gave a talk about the history of sunsite (2 CPU sparc10 + 512MB Ram +
14GB ftp area (sigh!)) and how it came to be (Sun donated the machine).

He is personally interested in seeing a small distribution again (ie. 6
disks that have a tightly intergrated and well tested set of utilities
+ C/C++ compiler + tinyX). Certainly not a bad idea when you think of a
newbie that gets ~50 Disks from a friend with the comment "Its easy!" :).

Erik was amazed at the amount of people using Linux in Germany and the
penetration of Linux books/CDs and other info available in normal
bookstores. Ralf mgave him a LST CD so he will have something to play with
when he gets home after his european tour.

He also talked about a few books that will be published in the near future
by O'Reilly (nutshells) which will mean linux available in mainstream
bookstores in the US (and the world?).

He was especially impressed by the german beer (but then who isn't:).

[ The following is info from people offering net access in Franken   ]
[ Note: this is the order in which they spoke and we do not have any ]
[       contact or financial interest in any of the services offered ]

$ cat /doc/network-providers

franken.de
----------
Speaker: Guenther Jung
Contact: i...@franken.de
About: Member of IN (individual network), 44 sites (Nbg) + 16 sites (Wuerzburg)
Connection: 2 Modems, 1 ISDN for Dialin
            Connection via ISDN to university Erlangen (0-6 am only)
            Connection (SLIP) via Cisco Routers, University
Costs: Mail+News: Fixed 20,- DM/month + phone
       IP : additional fixed 10,- DM/month
       no volume oriented costs

subnet.sub.net
--------------
Speaker: Joachim Astel
Contact: ?
About: Spirit of networking for free, anybody providing conectivity for
       anybody, you just have to know a kind soul who offers you connectivity.
Connection: POP and X-Link Nuernberg
Costs: Fixed cost 60,-/120,- DM/year (Students/non Students) + volume + phone

msn.sub.org
-----------
Speaker: Stefan Hartmann
Contact: i...@msn.sub.org
Connection: 8 modems
Costs: Fixed 10,- DM/month + phone
       1.50,-/8,00 DM/MByte national/international

Zugang (physikalisch) ueber ISDN (64 kBit) oder Telefon (14400 V.42bis). Wir
sind fuer Erweiterungen immer offen, wenn Bedarf besteht koennen wir auch ISDN
mit 38.4kBit oder (sobald entsprechende Modems verfuegbar sind) 28.8kBit
realisieren. Es stehen 8 Amtsleitungen zur Verfuegung, wovon momentan 4 an
die SUN gehen (2x ISDN, 2x Analog), das lasst sich aber leicht erweitern. Wir
betreiben eine Octopus-ISDN Telefonanlage, so dass die flexible Konfiguration
der Telefonanschluesse kein Problem ist.

F|r die direkte Internet-Anbindung kvnnen wir ueber die Modems SLIP (cslip)
und PPP (dp-2.3) bieten. ueber ISDN fahren wir die BinTec-Soft- und Hardware,
alles, was dafuer erhdltlich ist, kvnnen wir auch einsetzen. Der Xlink POP,
an dem wir hdngen, faehrt uebrigens auch Linux. UUCP ist selbstverstaedndlich
auch moeglich, wir installieren derzeit Taylor UUCP (bisher lief hier die
original SUN uucp Software).

Wir berechnen einmalig 20 DM fuer den Erstanschluss und 10 DM/Monat
Grundgebuhr unabhaedngig von den tataeschlich genutzten Diensten.

An Diensten (und Kosten) gibts folgendes:

Mail: national 0,2 Pf/kB, international 1,5 Pf/kB

News: Alles was gewuenscht wird und erhaeltlich ist lokal vorhanden
(derzeit ueber 5000 Gruppen). News sind grundsaetzlich kostenlos.

Anonymous FTP-Server auf Gateway-Maschine, fuer angeschlossene Systeme
kostenlos nutzbar.

WWW-Server: Angeschlossene Systeme koennen hier Seiten einspielen.

Internet:
Alle mvglichen Services ohne Einschrdnkung, wir routen transparent durch.
Kosten:
nationale Verbindungen 1,50 DM/MB uebertragene Daten zzgl. Telefongebuehren
internat. Verbindungen 8,00 DM/MB uebertragene Daten zzgl. Telefongebuehren
Die Telefongebuehren fallen fuer ein Stadtgespraech an, also 6/12 Minuten
Takt, wir berechnen die Einheit zu 25 Pfennigen.

rednet.nbg.de
-------------
Speaker: Joerg Goltermann
Contact: i...@rednet.nbg.de oder 09123/99172-1
About: He sells an X-link contingent he bought
Connectivity: 3 modems
Costs: 25,- DM/month fix + phone units
       Mail/News additional 20 DM/month
       International Mail 2 Pf/KB

Der Internetzugang ueber rednet ist per ISDN ueber Xlink realisiert und
wird vom Subnetz-Verein unterstuetzt. Zur Zeit haben wir hier 3 Modems
(V.32terbo) fuer die Zugaenge per Slip, PPP ist in Vorbereitung. Fuer
Kunden mit mehr als einem Rechner, haben wir extra ein Class-C Netz was
fuer diesen Zweck in mehrere Subnetze unterteilt ist. Eine eigene Domain
ist natuerlich auch vorhanden (nbg.de).

News koennen wir all.all anbieten, haben aber nur das was auch wirklich
gebraucht wird um Kosten und Resourcen zu sparen.

Zur Zeit gelten folgende Preise, ich stehte zur Zeit mit meinem
Provider in Verhandlungen um die Kosten weiter zu druecken.

Mail & News: 20.- DM/monat, plus Volumengebuehren fuer internationale Mails,
wenn das Gesamtvolumen fuer internationale Mail ueber 40 KB im Monat steigt.
Volumengebuehr fuer internationale Mails: 2Pf/KB.

IP: 25.- DM/monat, plus Volumengebuehr und Telekommunikationskosten (*) des
Anbieters. nationaler IP-Traffic: 0.001 DM/KB. internationaler IP-Traffic:
0.007 DM/KB

Telekommunikationskosten fuer IP:
Normaltarif: 0.23 DM/6 Minuten
Billigtarif: 0.23 DM/12 Minuten

freenet
-------
Speaker: ?
Contact: Peter Beck (?)  b...@freenet-a.fim... ?
About: spirit of free connectivity and volume for anybody ;-)
Connectivity: ?
Costs: none

$ cat /doc/next-meeting

[ Achim produced the next set of meeting for the rest of the year :)) ]

BTW. Nachdem Achim in seinem Posting den Scherz mit dem 1. Dienstag
     nach Vollmond publik gemacht hat, saehen die Termine bis Jahresende
     so aus:

     23. Aug., 20. Sept., 25. Okt., 22. Nov., 20. Dez.

     Falls die nicht zu halten sind, sollten wir besser gleich dementieren ;-)

[ Maybe we will do another 'vollmond' meeting on 23.8.94 but wait a few days
[ for a posting to d.c.o.l ]

$ logout

Iain

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 'Raus aus dem Alltag, rein in die Kiste'

 
 
 

1. NYC LOCAL: Wednesday 19 September NYLUG Stammtisch at the Typhoon Brewery

<blockquote
  from="official NYLUG notice"
  edit-level="light">

                *** New York Linux Users Group ***
                           - NYLUG.org -

             NO MEETING -- STAMMTISCH ONLY -- AT TYPHOON

9/19/2001
Wednesday
6:30pm-????
Typhoon Restaurant & Brewery
22 East 54th Street between Madison and 5th Aves.

The New York Linux Users Group regular monthly meeting at the IBM
building has been cancelled due to the World Trade Center crisis.

However, the Stammtisch will be held at Typhoon Brewery in lieu of
the meeting. Join us to remember the lives lost and raise a glass
with your friends tomorrow night starting at around 6:30pm.

__________________________
What Is Stammtisch anyway?

Linuxstammtische - are social gatherings of local Linux, FREEBSD,
and other open-source software users at a local brewpub, founded
in connection with the first annual Linuxbierwanderung (Linux Beer
Hike, August 1999 in Bavaria, August 2000 in England's Lake District).
http://electriclichen.com/linuxbierwanderung/

What Is It: Beer (naturlich), good fellowship, and an occasional
lesson in the German language. Translated from German, Stammtisch
means "table reserved for regulars." Consequently, you can generally
find nyluggers near the back of The Typhoon Brewery (22 East 54th
St. between Madison and 5th Aves.) after every monthly meeting.
http://www.nylug.org/whatis/index.shtml#whatisstamm

September 2001 - The New York Linux Users Group, NYLUG.org

---------------------------------------------------------------
Jim Gleason               VA Linux Systems

phone: 212-858-7684       President, New York Linux Users Group
fax: 212-858-7685         http://www.nylug.org
---------------------------------------------------------------

</blockquote>

Distributed poC TINC:


Corresponding Secretary LXNY
LXNY is New York's Free Computing Organization.
http://www.lxny.org

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