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"Gun control proposals are nothing more than a modern liberal
suggestion that government, which is unable to protect its citizens,
makes sure those citizens cannot defend themselves."
           - Robert. H. Bork

You may want to look at Debian GNU/Linux (http://www.debian.org/). It
attracts mostly experienced Linux users, many of which describe switching to
it as a "graduation".

Currently, GNOME is available for Debian. The Debian project does not ship
KDE due to licensing issues, but KDE binaries in Debian package format are
available from a third party.

HTH,
Ray
--
ART  A friend of mine in Tulsa, Okla., when I was about eleven years old.
I'd be interested to hear from him. There are so many pseudos around taking
his name in vain.
- The Hipcrime Vocab by Chad C. Mulligan

As for window managers, I like WindowMaker;  it's pretty nice
looking.  I thought Afterstep was pretty nice also, but it seemed
a little too quirky.  So now, I'm using WindowMaker 0.60.0.
Isn't Enlightenment kind of like WindowMaker in that it has a
NextStep like user interface?  Yeah, when GnuStep comes out, it
will probably put the smack down on both KDE and GNOME as the
best looking desktop on the X11 planet.  I like WindowMaker
because it has those neat square dockable icons.

Another I like about wmaker is that once you start certain apps
for the first time, such as gvim, Netscape, and Acrobat reader,
you can drag the icons over to the dock.  Then, you can just
click on the icons in the dock the Next time you start the
programs.  I think the dock-able apps look pretty cool in general
(such as wmWeather and asclock).

In a way, I think WindowMaker is easier than KDE or GNOME to
configure, because all you need to do to add an icon to the dock
is start the program the first time, and then drag its icon to
the dock.  In KDE and GNOME, you need to open up some cascading
menus to do the same task.

KDE is pretty nice, but it looks a little too plain-jane.  Also,
I don't even use half of those apps that KDE has as part of its
distro, such as kmail and krn.  So, I like something simple, yet
good looking, but not as simple as fvwm2.  WindowMaker and
Enlightenment seem to fit those criterion.

But, to each his own, and that's one of the nice things about
X11.  I'm not going to force anyone to use WindowMaker/GNUStep,
and no one's going to force me to use KDE or GNOME.  There's a
wide range of GUIs available to fit individual needs, which is
what's so great about X's "mechanism not policy" policy.  Who
knows, maybe there's some nut out there who think twm is great
looking window manager.  ;&)

HTH.

--Donn

Debian with KDE 1.1.1 (there are debs available) is very very
nice.

RedHat 6 is terrible.  RedHat 5.2 is pretty darn good.  slackware
4.0 is really nice too.  SuSE I hear is pretty good.
--
Tim Kelley

"If evolution is outlawed only outlaws will evolve"

So, RH6 is a very nice distro to load in a lab where users are
generally new to un*x, are mostly used to windows nt (the other side
of our lab). The gui of kde is reminicent of the mac os, and users are
very comfortable with this gui. It is also easy to shutdown and reboot
with kdm (point and click).

I have not had any of these machines flake out on me yet, and RH6
supported all of the hardware I could throw at it (at least stuff that
was made at least a year ago).

As for administration, the new linuxconf tool is really getting
somewhere, and the kde control center is really easy for users to
customize their session.

Also, many users who are familiar with linux have used a RH system,
and I can give them the CD to take home and load onto their machines.
Sure, i would rather use Debian or Mandrake, but for homogeny, and
therefore support, i felt RH was the best choice.

Quote:>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Original Message <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

Quote:> Here's a little flamebait for you all.  What is the best distro and
GUI
> combo? By "best" let me explain.  I'm a very experienced Linux
> user/admin.  I started back around 92 with slackware and am currently
> using Redhat 5.0.  I've heard many terrible things about RH6.0 and am
> wary.  What I want is a distro that installs smoothly, has a good GUI
> (OK, this is also a question about Gnome/KDE) and has a binary package
> installation system that checks dependencies, etc...  I liked
slackware
> but after a while I gave it up b/c they use tarballs and make you
> compile everything.  As I understand it they still do. Opinions? -
> please CC to my email as my newsserver is slow and flaky.  Thanks.
> --
> "Gun control proposals are nothing more than a modern liberal
> suggestion that government, which is unable to protect its citizens,
> makes sure those citizens cannot defend themselves."
>          - Robert. H. Bork

- Steve

Quote:> "If evolution is outlawed only outlaws will evolve"

 (Bill Morrisey)

many others with gnome and kde.  

--
Tim Kelley

"If evolution is outlawed only outlaws will evolve"

Debian with KDE 1.1.1 (there are debs available) is very very
nice.

RedHat 6 is terrible.  RedHat 5.2 is pretty darn good.  slackware
4.0 is really nice too.  SuSE I hear is pretty good.
--
Tim Kelley

"If evolution is outlawed only outlaws will evolve"

You may want to look at Debian GNU/Linux (http://www.debian.org/). It
attracts mostly experienced Linux users, many of which describe switching to
it as a "graduation".

Currently, GNOME is available for Debian. The Debian project does not ship
KDE due to licensing issues, but KDE binaries in Debian package format are
available from a third party.

HTH,
Ray
--
ART  A friend of mine in Tulsa, Okla., when I was about eleven years old.
I'd be interested to hear from him. There are so many pseudos around taking
his name in vain.
- The Hipcrime Vocab by Chad C. Mulligan

As for window managers, I like WindowMaker;  it's pretty nice
looking.  I thought Afterstep was pretty nice also, but it seemed
a little too quirky.  So now, I'm using WindowMaker 0.60.0.
Isn't Enlightenment kind of like WindowMaker in that it has a
NextStep like user interface?  Yeah, when GnuStep comes out, it
will probably put the smack down on both KDE and GNOME as the
best looking desktop on the X11 planet.  I like WindowMaker
because it has those neat square dockable icons.

Another I like about wmaker is that once you start certain apps
for the first time, such as gvim, Netscape, and Acrobat reader,
you can drag the icons over to the dock.  Then, you can just
click on the icons in the dock the Next time you start the
programs.  I think the dock-able apps look pretty cool in general
(such as wmWeather and asclock).

In a way, I think WindowMaker is easier than KDE or GNOME to
configure, because all you need to do to add an icon to the dock
is start the program the first time, and then drag its icon to
the dock.  In KDE and GNOME, you need to open up some cascading
menus to do the same task.

KDE is pretty nice, but it looks a little too plain-jane.  Also,
I don't even use half of those apps that KDE has as part of its
distro, such as kmail and krn.  So, I like something simple, yet
good looking, but not as simple as fvwm2.  WindowMaker and
Enlightenment seem to fit those criterion.

But, to each his own, and that's one of the nice things about
X11.  I'm not going to force anyone to use WindowMaker/GNUStep,
and no one's going to force me to use KDE or GNOME.  There's a
wide range of GUIs available to fit individual needs, which is
what's so great about X's "mechanism not policy" policy.  Who
knows, maybe there's some nut out there who think twm is great
looking window manager.  ;&)

HTH.

--Donn

Matt

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I started with Slackware (pre-ELF) in '93 and found the switch to Debian
well worth it.  The dpkg system is quite robust and easy to admin.
I can't say anything about KDE/Gnome/etc but have never found a reason
to switch from good ol' Xfree86/fwvm, and many reasons not to switch.

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cheers
jg

: --
: "Gun control proposals are nothing more than a modern liberal
: suggestion that government, which is unable to protect its citizens,
: makes sure those citizens cannot defend themselves."
:          - Robert. H. Bork

??? Guns hurt more people through accidents than through intentional use.
    Therefore gun control is making sure citizens cannot hurt themselves.
    (Whether you think this is a good thing or not is a different matter.)

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Quote:> RedHat 6 is terrible.  RedHat 5.2 is pretty darn good.  slackware
> 4.0 is really nice too.  SuSE I hear is pretty good.

Can anyone tell me if there's a Linux equivalent of the BSOD --
I've not had Linux crash since I installed SuSE6.0 (5 months ago), and
I'm curious.

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 - Linux will be 8 years old on 17th September! See: -
http://www.vision25.demon.co.uk/prog/linuxbirthday.html

I have nearly a dozen distros setting on CDs in my desk drawer, but I've
settled on SuSE as the best one for me.  I like the fact that they
tested the 1000+ apps on the 5 (now 6) cd and configured them to install
automatically on your system when you use YaST and select them from the
package list on the CD.  All desktops (mainly fwwm, fwm95, KDE, GNOME
and some others) have the package on the menu and the environment is
setup with the appropriate variable assignments.  When you uninstall a
package everything is appropriately undone for you.  Very nice.

JLK
"The measure of worth - 'wealth' - is knowledge and competence.  
 It can't be stolen, hoarded, taxed or counterfeited.  If left
 to lie unused it effectively doesn't exist."  - James P. Hogan

Also, unlike most other distributions, Debian doesn't ship KDE nor any
of the hundreds of KDE applications.  Fortunately you can get some of
these from http://www.veryComputer.com/;My hopes lie on the Corel
distribution which will be based on Debian and KDE.

-N.
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