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Can arena do frames now? Can anybody recommend it as a replacement for
Nutscrape?

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jazz            annandy AT dc DOT seflin DOT org

Quote:>Can arena do frames now? Can anybody recommend it as a replacement for
>Nutscrape?

Have you tried it?  I mean, Arena maybe a step in the right direction, but
it's a small step.  I cannot honestly say I could ever consider that as a
replacement for Netscape, even with Netscape's problems.  Mozilla M13
looks very promising, however.

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What's wrong with your Netscape? I use it heavily every day without
any problems? Which distribution are you using? RedHat's version of NS
is buggy, but there is an update available.

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Gero H. Marten
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: > Can arena do frames now? Can anybody recommend it as a replacement for
: > Nutscrape?

: What's wrong with your Netscape? I use it heavily every day without
: any problems? Which distribution are you using? RedHat's version of NS
: is buggy, but there is an update available.

I keep getting bus error (then again I only have 32M 486/50)  Wait a
minute, I'm running 'optimized for Pentium' Mandrake 6.0. Could this be
the problem?

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jazz            annandy AT dc DOT seflin DOT org

Quote:>I keep getting bus error (then again I only have 32M 486/50)  Wait a
>minute, I'm running 'optimized for Pentium' Mandrake 6.0. Could this be
>the problem?

No, absolutely not.  Netscape is unstable everywhere.

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Quote:> No, absolutely not.  Netscape is unstable everywhere.

Here in Germany SuSE is the most used distribution. I have been
running NS under SuSE-Linux since 1995. Never had any serious
problems. Sure, it sometime just quits without reason. But so do
WordPerfect, Applix or StarOffice and others.

All the discussions in the newsnet about this "crappy Netscape" always
come from people using RedHat, Mandrake or other RH-clones. I suggest,
that the problems more likely are based in these distributions and not
Netscape.

And Andrew, while your computer isn't a power machine, is it an intel
or AMD? If the latter, there's another cause for disappointments.

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: What's wrong with your Netscape? I use it heavily every day without
: any problems? Which distribution are you using? RedHat's version of NS
: is buggy, but there is an update available.

I am on 4.61, and I try to use Messenger as my mail client. I keep
getting 'bus error' when I try to get my mail

BTW Imeant Opera, probably confused the browser with Q3 Arena :-)

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jazz            annandy AT dc DOT seflin DOT org

Quote:

>All the discussions in the newsnet about this "crappy Netscape" always
>come from people using RedHat, Mandrake or other RH-clones. I suggest,
>that the problems more likely are based in these distributions and not
>Netscape.

I have plenty of problems on Debian GNU/Linux, completely unrelated
to Red Hat.
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Don't use WP all that much, but it hasn't hung yet.

Quote:> All the discussions in the newsnet about this "crappy Netscape" always
> come from people using RedHat, Mandrake or other RH-clones. I suggest,
> that the problems more likely are based in these distributions and not
> Netscape.

I've run NS 3.x and 4.x on slackware and a couple of 4.xs on SuSE 6.1
(currently 4.51, but I ran 4.61 for a while;  no way am I going to try
4.7!).  No difference at all in the number of crashes in the 4.x
versions, except recent crashes have been more serious, requiring a
hard reboot and fscking from a separate linux system running on a
different partition.  I could blame this on webslingers' inept java
offerings, except for the fact that a couple of the crashes have
happened while reading news.  There are lots more crashes that merely
require a killall and restart.  NS is clearly not ready for prime
time, but it's the best we've got.

Quote:> And Andrew, while your computer isn't a power machine, is it an intel
> or AMD? If the latter, there's another cause for disappointments.

Mine is a P2 266 with 128 meg of ram.  Certainly adequate.

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Are you using KDE?  Have you tried logging off with Communicator active?

Scott

Quote:>All the discussions in the newsnet about this "crappy Netscape" always
>come from people using RedHat, Mandrake or other RH-clones. I suggest,
>that the problems more likely are based in these distributions and not
>Netscape.

I've never used Red Hat or any of its derivatives (went from SLS to
Slackware to SuSE), but given that some of the complaints have also involved
OSes other than Linux, I suspect that it's fair to lay the blame (or a big
chunk of it) on AOL/Netscape and not a particular distribution.

Quote:>And Andrew, while your computer isn't a power machine, is it an intel
>or AMD? If the latter, there's another cause for disappointments.

I would be inclined to say just the opposite...I have several AMD-based (and
Cyrix-based, for that matter) systems that are rock-solid, but have seen
Intel-based systems flake out in weird ways.  In all fairness, though, the
stability of a computer system probably hinges more on the motherboard than
on the processor.  A crappy motherboard (such as one from PCChips) will
cause no end of grief, no matter whose processor you stick on it.

One thing that's kinda interesting, though, is to look in the kernel source
and compare the number of workarounds implemented for bugs in Intel
processors vs. the same for AMD or Cyrix processors.  (AMD and Cyrix get one
each, while there are three or four for Intel.)

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Centuries ago, Nostradamus foresaw a time when Scott Alfter would say:

Quote:>I've never used Red Hat or any of its derivatives (went from SLS to
>Slackware to SuSE), but given that some of the complaints have also involved
>OSes other than Linux, I suspect that it's fair to lay the blame (or a big
>chunk of it) on AOL/Netscape and not a particular distribution.

It's *possible* for font management to be done badly; I'm with you in
being a tad skeptical of fault lying elsewhere than with Netscape.

Quote:>>And Andrew, while your computer isn't a power machine, is it an intel
>>or AMD? If the latter, there's another cause for disappointments.

>I would be inclined to say just the opposite...I have several AMD-based (and
>Cyrix-based, for that matter) systems that are rock-solid, but have seen
>Intel-based systems flake out in weird ways.  In all fairness, though, the
>stability of a computer system probably hinges more on the motherboard than
>on the processor.  A crappy motherboard (such as one from PCChips) will
>cause no end of grief, no matter whose processor you stick on it.

I think you're missing the usual problem here...

If someone has built their own machine, and used Cyrix/AMD, then I'd
have every reason to be inclined to expect this to be "less shoddy"
than the equivalent system built using an unthinking Intel advocate.

But another factor comes into play....

... If the box was commercially built, it is not at all unusual for
vendors to figure that the lower-priced AMD/Cyrix chips are indicative
of the user being *extremely* price sensitive.

Indeed, if the customer is *so* price sensitive that they are willing
to go with a "inferior non-Intel CPU," they *must* be so price
sensitive that they won't care that the builder used whatever shoddy
memory and shoddy MB and shoddy HD and ... that they were able to
low-ball.

This may explain some of the past history of vendors of
less-than-scintillating quality machines like Packard Bell.

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DETERGENT for 15 minutes.  He seemed to enjoy it ...

BTW, to those who say Netscape is the only choice right now:  try
KFM.  I don't use KDE, but I keep its libraries on my system just so
I can use their file manager/web browser on occasion.  It's not
"finished" and it's far from perfect, but it's very good for some
things.
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Quote:>BTW, to those who say Netscape is the only choice right now:  try
>KFM.  I don't use KDE, but I keep its libraries on my system just so
>I can use their file manager/web browser on occasion.  It's not
>"finished" and it's far from perfect, but it's very good for some
>things.

I used KDE for a very short time but I must agree, kfm did a very good
job as a web browser. Pages rendered well and it didn't give any
problems while online.

My alternate GUI browser is Mosaic actually.

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http://www.oldskool.org/~tvdog/ -- DOS Internet & Tandy 1000
http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Platform/8269/ -- Win3.x Makeover

I used to hate Communicator until I got a new machine. Now it's fast-fast.
Still sucks though. I'm not sure if I'd want to leave it running long
even now. Maybe I'll grab M13 one of these days and play around. For the
moment, if I need something to stay up and be full-featured, I use NS3.

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