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Note too that a upgrade to 4.x does not imply you will see a
corresponding upgrade to 6.x. The two are just not related.
-Wayne Pollock
> Netscape 6.01 has been out for quite some time now, but Netscape 4.77 was
> just released. Netscape 4.77 following 6.01?! What?!
> Is 6.0x a descendant of 4.7x, or is 6.0x a divergent of 4.7x line?
>> Is 6.0x a descendant of 4.7x, or is 6.0x a divergent of 4.7x line?
>6.x is based on Mozilla <http://www.mozilla.org/>, and is an entirely
>different codebase from the 4.7x series.
Or is the Mozilla codebase not used for the Windows version of 6.x?
Yeah, I know, I shouldn't be using windows, but I need some way of
keeping a net connection, and I don't want to get a new modem until I
can afford a Lucent chipset PCI modem... the advantages of PCI, keeps
a serial port free, and it's usable under Linux.
Jonathan Fisher
who uses windows because of his *^%$%y winmodem, but has a linux
partition...
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> So... why does the rendering still suck on large .jpg's?
Anyway, I suppose they could have used some of the old code for things
like that.
I'm using it on Linux, but it is the same codebase. Of course, thereQuote:> Or is the Mozilla codebase not used for the Windows version of 6.x?
Doesn't bother me. Just don't ask me for help with it <g>.Quote:> Yeah, I know, I shouldn't be using windows, but I need some way of
They're pretty cheap, which is the whole point. But the "advantages ofQuote:> keeping a net connection, and I don't want to get a new modem until I
> can afford a Lucent chipset PCI modem... the advantages of PCI, keeps
> a serial port free, and it's usable under Linux.
I strongly disrecommend Winmodems, even ones that do work under Linux.
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>> >6.x is based on Mozilla <http://www.mozilla.org/>, and is an entirely
>> >different codebase from the 4.7x series.
>> So... why does the rendering still suck on large .jpg's?
>I don't notice that it does. What "sucks" about it? I use Opera and
>Konqueror a lot more though, because they don't take all day to start
>up. So maybe I just haven't noticed.
>Anyway, I suppose they could have used some of the old code for things
>like that.
*snip snip
Well, I was under the impression that the *expensive* Lucent PCIQuote:>> keeping a net connection, and I don't want to get a new modem until I
>> can afford a Lucent chipset PCI modem... the advantages of PCI, keeps
>> a serial port free, and it's usable under Linux.
>They're pretty cheap, which is the whole point. But the "advantages of
>PCI" as applied to a modem really only boil down to two things...it is
>easier to manage interrupts, and the buss is fast enough to allow the
>CPU to do some or all of the signal processing and thereby allow the
>vendor to eliminate parts on the board. Which is a bad idea, even if
>you have lots of CPU power to spare, because you quickly run into
>problems with drivers whenever you upgrade your OS.
Well, if I'm really lucky I'll go Broadband in the next couple months,
and skip the whole need for a modem of any kind... that'd be really
nifty, but I don't know if the place I'm moving to has Broadband
available yet...
Well, I'll probably switch to Linux when I buy the Loki version ofQuote:>I strongly disrecommend Winmodems, even ones that do work under Linux.
If and when that happens, I'll have to get a Linux modem of some type.
But if I have to keep my connection at only modem speeds, I want to Do
It Right (tm) and get the best modem I can... even if it makes SMAC
for linux effectively cost upwards of 100$- 50 bucks for the game, 60
to change my net connection to a *good* PCI modem on Linux. But I
plan on switching back to Linux sometime in the next year, so it's not
really that much of an extra cost anyways... And a new modem is
cheaper than buying a copy of MS Visual Studio to test code for class
assignments.
And if I'm not spending money on maintaining a broadband connection
(and having to buy CD-R's to store all the stuff I get off of Usenet)
then it won't be as cost-prohibitive to buy said modem. OTOH, if I
find hard figures on modem costs that show that I *can* get a non-PCI
modem for only 20 bucks, and that ping times aren't lowered with a
good PCI modem w/ on-board processing significantly, I may go the
cheap route.. we'll see!
Jonathan Fisher
who writes massively big usenet posts because he's housesiitting now
w/ not much else to do..
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Some PCI modems are "real" modems, yes. That's what you want. If youQuote:> Well, I was under the impression that the *expensive* Lucent PCI
> modems cost more was 'cause they did it right, and put the processing
> circuitry on the modem itself.
Those modems have a DSP, but still use the host to do the compressionQuote:> And that that was the reason it was among the first Linmodems...
PCI doesn't necessarily help ping times. The modem is so much slowerQuote:> thus, the Lucent chipset has all the advantages of a PCI modem
> (theoretically better ping times on latency-dependent games possible)
> and none of the disadvantages...
What does make a difference is moving processing into the modem so that
the host can devote more time to processing IP packets and running your
game and less to modem housekeeping. Basically, a properly set up
external modem connected to a buffered serial port is going to give you
the best performance you can get. A real full-function internal modem
will be equivalent, of course.
In fact, the so-called "* modems" are often a real modem, just
like we had in the days before Winmodems. They'll generally work fine
under Linux without a special driver. Funny how what used to be
standard has become the special high-performance version.
There are also some things you can do to any modem to reduce latency at
the expense of throughput. For instance, you can turn off compression
and use a smaller block size for error correction.
That'd be cool. One of these days they might get to me...Quote:> Well, if I'm really lucky I'll go Broadband in the next couple months,
> and skip the whole need for a modem of any kind...
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>> On really large .jpgs, if you scroll up and down sometimes it'll make
>> the parts that you scrolled off-screen turn into this mess of black
>> and white static.
>I'll have to try that. Got an example URL? You might want to enter a
>bug report in any case.
Well, I don't know of anyplace that carries big enough .jpg files
right offhand, as Mark Neidengard's image archives (anime stuff) are
currently down, and that's the only site I have bookmarked that has
large .jpg's. Yeah, yeah, I know. I oughta look at more *, I
know... but I just don't have the time! ;)
OTOH, it has a similar problem when loading backgrounds for *some*
sites. As in, the background gets these weird black stripes on it,
then it goes away once enough of the site has loaded or something. I
just experienced that problem now when trying to look at the list of
series image galleries at www.anipike.com
*snip more modem info*
Thanks for the info! I'll keep those points in mind if I have to getQuote:>In fact, the so-called "* modems" are often a real modem, just
>like we had in the days before Winmodems. They'll generally work fine
>under Linux without a special driver. Funny how what used to be
>standard has become the special high-performance version.
>There are also some things you can do to any modem to reduce latency at
>the expense of throughput. For instance, you can turn off compression
>and use a smaller block size for error correction.
And broadband the only way that you can keep up w/ some of theQuote:>> Well, if I'm really lucky I'll go Broadband in the next couple months,
>> and skip the whole need for a modem of any kind...
>That'd be cool. One of these days they might get to me...
Jonathan Fisher
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>> Netscape 6.01 has been out for quite some time now, but Netscape 4.77 was
>> just released. Netscape 4.77 following 6.01?! What?!
>> Is 6.0x a descendant of 4.7x, or is 6.0x a divergent of 4.7x line?
> Netscape 4.77 addresses a JavaScript security issue in the v4.x
> series. Netscape 6.01 is a dramatic rewrite of the whole browser
> based on the Mozilla project.
It IS the mozilla project, entirely unchanged.
It even leaves *ing on by default; and they didnt even have the decency
to change debug messages by ONE character.
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> >> Netscape 6.01 has been out for quite some time now, but Netscape 4.77 was
> >> just released. Netscape 4.77 following 6.01?! What?!
> >> Is 6.0x a descendant of 4.7x, or is 6.0x a divergent of 4.7x line?
> > Netscape 4.77 addresses a JavaScript security issue in the v4.x
> > series. Netscape 6.01 is a dramatic rewrite of the whole browser
> > based on the Mozilla project.
> "based"?
> It IS the mozilla project, entirely unchanged.
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1. mozilla 0.9.5 conflicts with netscape 4.77
Previously when I upgraded Mozilla 0.9.5 I could not use Netscape 4 any
more.
Did anybody else expierence that problem? I would prefer to do the
upgrade to mozilla 0.9.5 as I have really enjoyed the new features in
galeon. Still, Netscape 4 would be required in order to access some sites
(with buggy html + javascript code).
Christian
2. SCO JDK?
3. redhat linux 7.1 Netscape 4.77 error - hosts are unknown
4. 1gig file limit with slakware 3.6
5. Does FreeBSD support copy-on-write pages?
7. Semaphores
8. Netscape 4.77 sub folders- can't use File
9. Use wheel with Netscape 4.77.
10. Netscape Communicator 4.77 disappeared on install
11. netscape 6.01 fails after installing the port
12. Install Netscape 6.01 A on Solaris (Sun OS 5.6)