Please help with new Linux box hardware question.

Please help with new Linux box hardware question.

Post by Alex La » Tue, 26 May 1998 04:00:00



Hi,
     My current box is on its last leg of its life. A new box will be
needed soon, and will be M$ free!

It'll be use for graphics, web development, plus some entertainment side
duties
like playing CD-V, DVD, etc.

Here's my hardware list, I'd like to have some of you gurus out there to

take a look, and give me some opinions and suggestions.

* Should I get a so called year 2000 ready motherboard?

Thanks,

Alex Lam.

- Tyan S1592S Trinity mother board w/ AMD K-6/266MHz cpu with heat
sink   and fan. (VIA Apollo VP3 chip set & Award pnp bios.)
  (Will consider 300 MHz if there's a good price drop when the K-6 2
comes out by the end of the month.)

- 128 Mb DIMM

  Two Seagate Medalist Pro 6,5 Gig, 512 K cache, 7,200rpm Ultra DMA/33
hard drive.

- Maxtrox Millenium II AGP video, or ATI All-in-wonders video card

- Creative Lab DVD drive.

-  Creative Lab 32Awe Wave table sound card (NOT PNP)

- *would like to have a CD  burner if the Ultra DMA hard drive is   fast
enough for it.
    without going SCSI.

-  Mid tower case with 3 fans, 300 W. power supply.

- Probably will run SuSE 5.2 Linux on it. Or Red Hat 4.2, or 5.1.

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Post by Fred A. Mille » Tue, 26 May 1998 04:00:00



> Hi,
>      My current box is on its last leg of its life. A new box will be
> needed soon, and will be M$ free!

> It'll be use for graphics, web development, plus some entertainment side
> duties
> like playing CD-V, DVD, etc.

> Here's my hardware list, I'd like to have some of you gurus out there to

> take a look, and give me some opinions and suggestions.

> * Should I get a so called year 2000 ready motherboard?

> Thanks,

> Alex Lam.

> - Tyan S1592S Trinity mother board w/ AMD K-6/266MHz cpu with heat
> sink   and fan. (VIA Apollo VP3 chip set & Award pnp bios.)
>   (Will consider 300 MHz if there's a good price drop when the K-6 2
> comes out by the end of the month.)

Use an Intel processor.  AMD is cheaper, but I'd had compatibility
problems in the past.  Tyn MOB's are all I'll use for home and work.

Quote:> - 128 Mb DIMM

>   Two Seagate Medalist Pro 6,5 Gig, 512 K cache, 7,200rpm Ultra DMA/33
> hard drive.

I'm building a new box now, and these drives are VERY good.

Quote:> - Maxtrox Millenium II AGP video, or ATI All-in-wonders video card

Go Matrox.

Quote:> - Creative Lab DVD drive.

So so.

Quote:> -  Creative Lab 32Awe Wave table sound card (NOT PNP)

A few more bucks and you can get the AWE-64 ISA.

Quote:> - *would like to have a CD  burner if the Ultra DMA hard drive is   fast
> enough for it.
>     without going SCSI.

The drive and controller on the MOB are quick enough.

Quote:> -  Mid tower case with 3 fans, 300 W. power supply.

Make sure the fans are the ball-bearing type.  A tad more $, but they
last a LOT longer.  Same for the fan on the processor.

Quote:> - Probably will run SuSE 5.2 Linux on it. Or Red Hat 4.2, or 5.1.

SuSE is your best choice....MUCH easier install!

Regards,

Fred

Systems Admin.
Cornell Univ.


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Please help with new Linux box hardware question.

Post by Alex La » Tue, 26 May 1998 04:00:00




> > Hi,
> >      My current box is on its last leg of its life. A new box will be
> > needed soon, and will be M$ free!

> > It'll be use for graphics, web development, plus some entertainment side
> > duties
> > like playing CD-V, DVD, etc.

> > Here's my hardware list, I'd like to have some of you gurus out there to

> > take a look, and give me some opinions and suggestions.

> > * Should I get a so called year 2000 ready motherboard?

> > Thanks,

> > Alex Lam.

> > - Tyan S1592S Trinity mother board w/ AMD K-6/266MHz cpu with heat
> > sink   and fan. (VIA Apollo VP3 chip set & Award pnp bios.)
> >   (Will consider 300 MHz if there's a good price drop when the K-6 2
> > comes out by the end of the month.)

> Use an Intel processor.  AMD is cheaper, but I'd had compatibility
> problems in the past.  Tyn MOB's are all I'll use for home and work.

Okay. I guess I can get an Intel's cpu since I don't have to go SCSI.

- Show quoted text -

Quote:> > - 128 Mb DIMM

> >   Two Seagate Medalist Pro 6,5 Gig, 512 K cache, 7,200rpm Ultra DMA/33
> > hard drive.

> I'm building a new box now, and these drives are VERY good.

> > - Maxtrox Millenium II AGP video, or ATI All-in-wonders video card

> Go Matrox.

> > - Creative Lab DVD drive.

> So so.

> > -  Creative Lab 32Awe Wave table sound card (NOT PNP)

> A few more bucks and you can get the AWE-64 ISA.

I already have the AWE32 Wave table. It's the full version.

Quote:

> > - *would like to have a CD  burner if the Ultra DMA hard drive is   fast
> > enough for it.
> >     without going SCSI.

> The drive and controller on the MOB are quick enough.

Do you have any specific CD burner that you recommand?

Quote:

> > -  Mid tower case with 3 fans, 300 W. power supply.

> Make sure the fans are the ball-bearing type.  A tad more $, but they
> last a LOT longer.  Same for the fan on the processor.

Yes, I'm aware of that.

Quote:> > - Probably will run SuSE 5.2 Linux on it. Or Red Hat 4.2, or 5.1.

> SuSE is your best choice....MUCH easier install!

I had installed both Slackware and Redhat 4.0 before. But I don't mind
something easier to install.Slackware took me four days to install! (my very
first Linux installation.)

Thanks,

Alex Lam.

> Regards,

> Fred

> Systems Admin.
> Cornell Univ.


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> "We can't be so fixated on our desire to preserve the
> rights of ordinary Americans ..."

> Bill Clinton  (USA TODAY, 11 March 1993, page 2A)

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Post by Fred A. Mille » Thu, 28 May 1998 04:00:00





> > > Hi,
> > >      My current box is on its last leg of its life. A new box will be
> > > needed soon, and will be M$ free!

> > > It'll be use for graphics, web development, plus some entertainment side
> > > duties
> > > like playing CD-V, DVD, etc.

> > > Here's my hardware list, I'd like to have some of you gurus out there to

> > > take a look, and give me some opinions and suggestions.

> > > * Should I get a so called year 2000 ready motherboard?

> > > Thanks,

> > > Alex Lam.

> > > - Tyan S1592S Trinity mother board w/ AMD K-6/266MHz cpu with heat
> > > sink   and fan. (VIA Apollo VP3 chip set & Award pnp bios.)
> > >   (Will consider 300 MHz if there's a good price drop when the K-6 2
> > > comes out by the end of the month.)

> > Use an Intel processor.  AMD is cheaper, but I'd had compatibility
> > problems in the past.  Tyn MOB's are all I'll use for home and work.

> Okay. I guess I can get an Intel's cpu since I don't have to go SCSI.

What's SCSI have to do with the processor?

- Show quoted text -

Quote:> > > - 128 Mb DIMM

> > >   Two Seagate Medalist Pro 6,5 Gig, 512 K cache, 7,200rpm Ultra DMA/33
> > > hard drive.

> > I'm building a new box now, and these drives are VERY good.

> > > - Maxtrox Millenium II AGP video, or ATI All-in-wonders video card

> > Go Matrox.

> > > - Creative Lab DVD drive.

> > So so.

> > > -  Creative Lab 32Awe Wave table sound card (NOT PNP)

> > A few more bucks and you can get the AWE-64 ISA.

> I already have the AWE32 Wave table. It's the full version.

Ok....then I'd use it.

Quote:

> > > - *would like to have a CD  burner if the Ultra DMA hard drive is   fast
> > > enough for it.
> > >     without going SCSI.

> > The drive and controller on the MOB are quick enough.

> Do you have any specific CD burner that you recommand?

No I don't.  Check the compat. list.

- Show quoted text -

Quote:> > > -  Mid tower case with 3 fans, 300 W. power supply.

> > Make sure the fans are the ball-bearing type.  A tad more $, but they
> > last a LOT longer.  Same for the fan on the processor.

> Yes, I'm aware of that.

> > > - Probably will run SuSE 5.2 Linux on it. Or Red Hat 4.2, or 5.1.

> > SuSE is your best choice....MUCH easier install!

> I had installed both Slackware and Redhat 4.0 before. But I don't mind
> something easier to install.Slackware took me four days to install! (my very
> first Linux installation.)

'Not going there.<g>

Fred

--
"We can't be so fixated on our desire to preserve the
rights of ordinary Americans ..."

Bill Clinton  (USA TODAY, 11 March 1993, page 2A)

 
 
 

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Post by David R. Tuck » Thu, 28 May 1998 04:00:00



> Hi,
>      My current box is on its last leg of its life. A new box will be
> needed soon, and will be M$ free!

> It'll be use for graphics, web development, plus some entertainment side
> duties
> like playing CD-V, DVD, etc.

> Here's my hardware list, I'd like to have some of you gurus out there to

> take a look, and give me some opinions and suggestions.

I just went through this, so I did unearth some information

Quote:> * Should I get a so called year 2000 ready motherboard?

> Thanks,

> Alex Lam.

> - Tyan S1592S Trinity mother board w/ AMD K-6/266MHz cpu with heat
> sink   and fan. (VIA Apollo VP3 chip set & Award pnp bios.)
>   (Will consider 300 MHz if there's a good price drop when the K-6 2
> comes out by the end of the month.)

> - 128 Mb DIMM

ECC (Error Correcting) memory approved by Tyan (or whoever) is highly
recommended.  Non-parity memory was a big mistake on my previous
machine.

Quote:>   Two Seagate Medalist Pro 6,5 Gig, 512 K cache, 7,200rpm Ultra DMA/33
> hard drive.

I understand that 7200+ rpm drives can emit a very annoying whine.  Be
sure you can live with it.  They also run very hot, and disk failure
is mostly heat-related, so you have to make sure there's enough
airflow for them (no drive in the bays directly above and below, extra
fans, and so on).  You might consider getting a 5600 rpm drive and a
bit more capacity for the same amount of money, if you can live with
the loss in latency performance.

Quote:> - Maxtrox Millenium II AGP video, or ATI All-in-wonders video card

The MMII AGP was my choice.  Very fast (maybe the fastest---see the
XFree86 web page's description of it), and very supported.

Quote:> - Creative Lab DVD drive.

> -  Creative Lab 32Awe Wave table sound card (NOT PNP)

> - *would like to have a CD  burner if the Ultra DMA hard drive is   fast
> enough for it.
>     without going SCSI.

Maybe I'm missing something, but wouldn't a CD burner be the
bottleneck in any recent system?  Anyway, my sense was that despite
the fast ATA drives SCSI was still worth the money for reliability,
stability, support and, yes, speed (although I've seen this hotly
debated).  As an example, the Asus P2L97-S motherboard has a built-in
Adaptec 2940 UW SCSI controller for only about $80 more than their
P2L97 (both supposedly very good boards, not to take anything away
from the Tyan).  Of course, the drives wind up costing a more, and the
only trouble I've had with my 3-year-old IDE system is running out of
channels and having to buy a 3d controller to install more hardware,
so it depends.  My choice was all SCSI, but only 1 drive.

Quote:> -  Mid tower case with 3 fans, 300 W. power supply.

Given a 7200 rpm drive speed, I'd at least consider a full tower,
especially since you're getting 2 drives.  A larger enclosure is
cooler, and more drive bays means it's easier to have more air flow
between them by separating them.  Full towers aren't that much more,
and drive failures can really dent your day.

Quote:> - Probably will run SuSE 5.2 Linux on it. Or Red Hat 4.2, or 5.1.

SuSE I only know by reputation.  4.2 was really stable, but if 5.1
doesn't show any signs on the net of being as troublesome as 5.0, I'd
probably install that just to avoid having to upgrade to glibc (which
is the wave of the future, I guess).  But I don't think you can lose
with any of those.  Debian is good, too.  FWIW, I run RH 5.0 with all
updates applied (I chose to do a fresh install on a spare partition
rather than an upgrade from 4.2; a good move, and the resulting setup
works well, but I wish I had waited for 5.1 to do it).  I also FreeBSD
on another partition (another good choice).

(Disclaimer: It goes without saying that most of the above is personal
opinion (or at least it should).  It may be "wrong" for any given
person, but I don't think any of it is "Clearly Erroneous" in the
sense of being unsupported by any knowledgeable people at all or by
the underlying available facts.)

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Post by Ryan Dal » Thu, 28 May 1998 04:00:00






> > > > - Tyan S1592S Trinity mother board w/ AMD K-6/266MHz cpu with heat
> > > > sink   and fan. (VIA Apollo VP3 chip set & Award pnp bios.)
> > > >   (Will consider 300 MHz if there's a good price drop when the K-6 2
> > > > comes out by the end of the month.)

> > > Use an Intel processor.  AMD is cheaper, but I'd had compatibility
> > > problems in the past.  Tyn MOB's are all I'll use for home and work.

Using AMD K6 233...no compatibility problems here.  I'm using it with
the FIC VA-503 MB with the VIA Apollo chip set (Award BIOS).

Quote:> > I had installed both Slackware and Redhat 4.0 before. But I don't mind
> > something easier to install.Slackware took me four days to install! (my very
> > first Linux installation.)

Slackware is a nice version of Linux.  I've heard things about RedHat
mucking up your system.  I think Slackware is worth the pain of going
through the first couple installs.
 
 
 

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Post by Rolf Magnu » Sat, 30 May 1998 04:00:00


 > > > > -  Creative Lab 32Awe Wave table sound card (NOT PNP)
 > > >
 > > > A few more bucks and you can get the AWE-64 ISA.
 > >
 > > I already have the AWE32 Wave table. It's the full version.
 >
 > Ok....then I'd use it.

Yes. My awe32 has a defective mixer chip and does not work very good
now. Unfortunately, the awe32 is not sold any more (at least in
Germany), only the sb16 and awe64... too bad.