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> > > > > I played with Solaris IA for a month and want to study more.
> > > > > Objectives: certification and get a junior position related to Solaris.
> > > > > I was recommended to buy Ultra 60 on e-Bay, since the prices are beaten
> > > > > so badly. Wouldn't it be an overkill for a newbie? I was told that at
> > > > > the current price levels it would serve me for a year, and I could
> > > > > probably sell it at a small loss.

> > > > OVERKILL !!  Like a sledgehammer on a carpet tack !!!

> > > > We still use Ultra 1 170E Creators on a daily basis.  They are going for
> > > > about $250 or less on ebay (without monitor).  With the proper adapter
> > > > you can use most SVGA monitors.

> > > > Jack Patteeuw

> > > I'm planning to buy a low end Sun SPARC machine from eBay. But, I'd
> > > like to use a VGA monitor . What kind of video card will I need? Will
> > > any generic PC-compatible monitor work? Which model would be best?

> > > Thanks in advance!

> > > A. Rahman

> > You really can't go wrong with an Ultra 5 or 10. Some people gripe
> > about them, but they're especially good for home systems. They use
> > regular VGA monitors, and IDE drives (meaning a $200 trip to Best Buy
> > will solve your drive space problems). I'm biased, since my was given
> > to me brand new. (free, the best kind)
> > Video is normally not the greatest. You'll need a Creator or other
> > such card to get your graphics up to 24 bit at higher resolutions...(I
> > don't care, since I don't use the graphics for much anyhow)

> > Matthew

> So, If I buy an Ultra 5 or 10, I can hook up a PC-compatible VGA
> monitor without using any other adapter etc.? Does Ultra use PCI based
> video cards? If yes, which brand or model of video card would you
> recommend? I don't remember noticing Solaris X86 drivers for any video
> cards.
> Thanks!

> A. Rahman

>>>>>I played with Solaris IA for a month and want to study more.
>>>>>Objectives: certification and get a junior position related to Solaris.
>>>>>I was recommended to buy Ultra 60 on e-Bay, since the prices are beaten
>>>>>so badly. Wouldn't it be an overkill for a newbie? I was told that at
>>>>>the current price levels it would serve me for a year, and I could
>>>>>probably sell it at a small loss.

>>>>OVERKILL !!  Like a sledgehammer on a carpet tack !!!

>>>>We still use Ultra 1 170E Creators on a daily basis.  They are going for
>>>>about $250 or less on ebay (without monitor).  With the proper adapter
>>>>you can use most SVGA monitors.

>>>>Jack Patteeuw

>>>I'm planning to buy a low end Sun SPARC machine from eBay. But, I'd
>>>like to use a VGA monitor . What kind of video card will I need? Will
>>>any generic PC-compatible monitor work? Which model would be best?

>>>Thanks in advance!

>>>A. Rahman

>>You really can't go wrong with an Ultra 5 or 10. Some people gripe
>>about them, but they're especially good for home systems. They use
>>regular VGA monitors, and IDE drives (meaning a $200 trip to Best Buy
>>will solve your drive space problems). I'm biased, since my was given
>>to me brand new. (free, the best kind)
>>Video is normally not the greatest. You'll need a Creator or other
>>such card to get your graphics up to 24 bit at higher resolutions...(I
>>don't care, since I don't use the graphics for much anyhow)

>>Matthew

> So, If I buy an Ultra 5 or 10, I can hook up a PC-compatible VGA
> monitor without using any other adapter etc.? Does Ultra use PCI based
> video cards? If yes, which brand or model of video card would you
> recommend? I don't remember noticing Solaris X86 drivers for any video
> cards.
> Thanks!

> A. Rahman

> > > You really can't go wrong with an Ultra 5 or 10. Some people gripe
> > > about them, but they're especially good for home systems. They use
> > > regular VGA monitors, and IDE drives (meaning a $200 trip to Best Buy
> > > will solve your drive space problems). I'm biased, since my was given
> > > to me brand new. (free, the best kind)
> > > Video is normally not the greatest. You'll need a Creator or other
> > > such card to get your graphics up to 24 bit at higher resolutions...(I
> > > don't care, since I don't use the graphics for much anyhow)

> > Don't forget, if you have a linux machine you can just remote the
> > display from the sun to the linux. I find well-written X applications
> > perform really nicely over a fast local network, and PC cards seem to
> > be better at bitblitting (e.g. scrolling a large page in netscape)
> > etc. Since my Elite3d card doesn't control my monitor just right, I
> > more often just remote the display than use the console on the sun
> > even though my machines are all on a KVM.

> Exporting the display to a Linux box sounds like a great idea? I've
> never done anything like that before. Could you please point me to
> some documentation?

> Thanks!
> A.R.

> > > > > > I played with Solaris IA for a month and want to study more.
> > > > > > Objectives: certification and get a junior position related to Solaris.
> > > > > > I was recommended to buy Ultra 60 on e-Bay, since the prices are beaten
> > > > > > so badly. Wouldn't it be an overkill for a newbie? I was told that at
> > > > > > the current price levels it would serve me for a year, and I could
> > > > > > probably sell it at a small loss.

> > > > > OVERKILL !!  Like a sledgehammer on a carpet tack !!!

> > > > > We still use Ultra 1 170E Creators on a daily basis.  They are going for
> > > > > about $250 or less on ebay (without monitor).  With the proper adapter
> > > > > you can use most SVGA monitors.

> > > > > Jack Patteeuw

> > > > I'm planning to buy a low end Sun SPARC machine from eBay. But, I'd
> > > > like to use a VGA monitor . What kind of video card will I need? Will
> > > > any generic PC-compatible monitor work? Which model would be best?

> > > > Thanks in advance!

> > > > A. Rahman

> > > You really can't go wrong with an Ultra 5 or 10. Some people gripe
> > > about them, but they're especially good for home systems. They use
> > > regular VGA monitors, and IDE drives (meaning a $200 trip to Best Buy
> > > will solve your drive space problems). I'm biased, since my was given
> > > to me brand new. (free, the best kind)
> > > Video is normally not the greatest. You'll need a Creator or other
> > > such card to get your graphics up to 24 bit at higher resolutions...(I
> > > don't care, since I don't use the graphics for much anyhow)

> > > Matthew

> > So, If I buy an Ultra 5 or 10, I can hook up a PC-compatible VGA
> > monitor without using any other adapter etc.? Does Ultra use PCI based
> > video cards? If yes, which brand or model of video card would you
> > recommend? I don't remember noticing Solaris X86 drivers for any video
> > cards.
> > Thanks!

> > A. Rahman

> Also, Can I use a PC keyboard and mouse with Sun? Or do I absolutely
> have to use a Sun keyboard?

> A.R.

> > Sincere thanks to all. And for Mr Shao Wu, without his warning frying a
> > Sparc <g> would be the first thing I may  have accomplished.

> > Best to all.

> I run a dual CPU Ultra-2 at home with the cover off.  It has been that way for
> quite a while with no problems.  It has three SCSI controllers and 512Mb of
> RAM.  From time to time I take a can of compressed air and blow the dust out
> ... while it is running.  My home computer room is the exact opposite of a
> raised floor server room with a ton of A/C.  The only feature I have is a
> relatively large UPS.  I never have a problem with it.

> Dennis

> > > > > I played with Solaris IA for a month and want to study more.
> > > > > Objectives: certification and get a junior position related to Solaris.
> > > > > I was recommended to buy Ultra 60 on e-Bay, since the prices are beaten
> > > > > so badly. Wouldn't it be an overkill for a newbie? I was told that at
> > > > > the current price levels it would serve me for a year, and I could
> > > > > probably sell it at a small loss.

> > > > OVERKILL !!  Like a sledgehammer on a carpet tack !!!

> > > > We still use Ultra 1 170E Creators on a daily basis.  They are going for
> > > > about $250 or less on ebay (without monitor).  With the proper adapter
> > > > you can use most SVGA monitors.

> > > > Jack Patteeuw

> > > I'm planning to buy a low end Sun SPARC machine from eBay. But, I'd
> > > like to use a VGA monitor . What kind of video card will I need? Will
> > > any generic PC-compatible monitor work? Which model would be best?

> > > Thanks in advance!

> > > A. Rahman

> > You really can't go wrong with an Ultra 5 or 10. Some people gripe
> > about them, but they're especially good for home systems. They use
> > regular VGA monitors, and IDE drives (meaning a $200 trip to Best Buy
> > will solve your drive space problems). I'm biased, since my was given
> > to me brand new. (free, the best kind)
> > Video is normally not the greatest. You'll need a Creator or other
> > such card to get your graphics up to 24 bit at higher resolutions...(I
> > don't care, since I don't use the graphics for much anyhow)

> > Matthew

> So, If I buy an Ultra 5 or 10, I can hook up a PC-compatible VGA
> monitor without using any other adapter etc.? Does Ultra use PCI based
> video cards? If yes, which brand or model of video card would you
> recommend? I don't remember noticing Solaris X86 drivers for any video
> cards.
> Thanks!

> A. Rahman

> > > > > > I played with Solaris IA for a month and want to study more.
> > > > > > Objectives: certification and get a junior position related to Solaris.
> > > > > > I was recommended to buy Ultra 60 on e-Bay, since the prices are beaten
> > > > > > so badly. Wouldn't it be an overkill for a newbie? I was told that at
> > > > > > the current price levels it would serve me for a year, and I could
> > > > > > probably sell it at a small loss.

> > > > > OVERKILL !!  Like a sledgehammer on a carpet tack !!!

> > > > > We still use Ultra 1 170E Creators on a daily basis.  They are going for
> > > > > about $250 or less on ebay (without monitor).  With the proper adapter
> > > > > you can use most SVGA monitors.

> > > > > Jack Patteeuw

> > > > I'm planning to buy a low end Sun SPARC machine from eBay. But, I'd
> > > > like to use a VGA monitor . What kind of video card will I need? Will
> > > > any generic PC-compatible monitor work? Which model would be best?

> > > > Thanks in advance!

> > > > A. Rahman

> > > You really can't go wrong with an Ultra 5 or 10. Some people gripe
> > > about them, but they're especially good for home systems. They use
> > > regular VGA monitors, and IDE drives (meaning a $200 trip to Best Buy
> > > will solve your drive space problems). I'm biased, since my was given
> > > to me brand new. (free, the best kind)
> > > Video is normally not the greatest. You'll need a Creator or other
> > > such card to get your graphics up to 24 bit at higher resolutions...(I
> > > don't care, since I don't use the graphics for much anyhow)

> > > Matthew

> > So, If I buy an Ultra 5 or 10, I can hook up a PC-compatible VGA
> > monitor without using any other adapter etc.? Does Ultra use PCI based
> > video cards? If yes, which brand or model of video card would you
> > recommend? I don't remember noticing Solaris X86 drivers for any video
> > cards.
> > Thanks!

> > A. Rahman

> Also, Can I use a PC keyboard and mouse with Sun? Or do I absolutely
> have to use a Sun keyboard?

> A.R.

> > So what?  If you want to learn to work with Sun machines, part of the
> > process is learning that not all computers are like a PC.

> Sort of true, on the other hand a bunch of people never have to touch
> the machines they work on (in my company the big machines are in a
> different part of town in a building I've never been in). These days I
> think a machine with special cooling requirements that is also meant
> to be a desktop user machine is sort of obnoxious. Come to think of it
> though, someone told me my NeXT Cube would overheat with the case
> _off_ also! I think this 'case is part of cooling design' trick is
> very clever, too clever for me.
> --

> > > > > > I played with Solaris IA for a month and want to study more.
> > > > > > Objectives: certification and get a junior position related to Solaris.
> > > > > > I was recommended to buy Ultra 60 on e-Bay, since the prices are beaten
> > > > > > so badly. Wouldn't it be an overkill for a newbie? I was told that at
> > > > > > the current price levels it would serve me for a year, and I could
> > > > > > probably sell it at a small loss.

> > > > > OVERKILL !!  Like a sledgehammer on a carpet tack !!!

> > > > > We still use Ultra 1 170E Creators on a daily basis.  They are going for
> > > > > about $250 or less on ebay (without monitor).  With the proper adapter
> > > > > you can use most SVGA monitors.

> > > > > Jack Patteeuw

> > > > I'm planning to buy a low end Sun SPARC machine from eBay. But, I'd
> > > > like to use a VGA monitor . What kind of video card will I need? Will
> > > > any generic PC-compatible monitor work? Which model would be best?

> > > > Thanks in advance!

> > > > A. Rahman

> > > You really can't go wrong with an Ultra 5 or 10. Some people gripe
> > > about them, but they're especially good for home systems. They use
> > > regular VGA monitors, and IDE drives (meaning a $200 trip to Best Buy
> > > will solve your drive space problems). I'm biased, since my was given
> > > to me brand new. (free, the best kind)
> > > Video is normally not the greatest. You'll need a Creator or other
> > > such card to get your graphics up to 24 bit at higher resolutions...(I
> > > don't care, since I don't use the graphics for much anyhow)

> > > Matthew

> > So, If I buy an Ultra 5 or 10, I can hook up a PC-compatible VGA
> > monitor without using any other adapter etc.? Does Ultra use PCI based
> > video cards? If yes, which brand or model of video card would you
> > recommend? I don't remember noticing Solaris X86 drivers for any video
> > cards.
> > Thanks!

> > A. Rahman

> An Ultra 5 will come with an onboard 8-bit or 24-bit PGX frame buffer.
> It has a standard VGA connector. You can use just about any MODERN multi-sync
> monitor.  You cannot add other PC "video cards".  The Ultra 10 comes
> with the onboard PGX8 or PGX24 and also can come with a higher-end
> Creator 3D.  The Creator 3D does have a more * 13W3 connector, but
> there is an adapter you can get that lets you connect it to a standara
> PC type monitor with VGA adapter.

> Hi All,

> I played with Solaris IA for a month and want to study more.
> Objectives: certification and get a junior position related to Solaris.
> I was recommended to buy Ultra 60 on e-Bay, since the prices are beaten
> so badly. Wouldn't it be an overkill for a newbie? I was told that at
> the current price levels it would serve me for a year, and I could
> probably sell it at a small loss.

> I think, I am doing OK with x86 so far, but I was told that I will need
> some software that is not ported to IA.

> Thank you in advance.