Which Sparc for a Student?

Which Sparc for a Student?

Post by A. Rahm » Mon, 11 Feb 2002 07:17:45








> > > > > I played with Solaris IA for a month and want to study more.
> > > > > Objectives: certification and get a junior position related to Solaris.
> > > > > I was recommended to buy Ultra 60 on e-Bay, since the prices are beaten
> > > > > so badly. Wouldn't it be an overkill for a newbie? I was told that at
> > > > > the current price levels it would serve me for a year, and I could
> > > > > probably sell it at a small loss.

> > > > OVERKILL !!  Like a sledgehammer on a carpet tack !!!

> > > > We still use Ultra 1 170E Creators on a daily basis.  They are going for
> > > > about $250 or less on ebay (without monitor).  With the proper adapter
> > > > you can use most SVGA monitors.

> > > > Jack Patteeuw

> > > I'm planning to buy a low end Sun SPARC machine from eBay. But, I'd
> > > like to use a VGA monitor . What kind of video card will I need? Will
> > > any generic PC-compatible monitor work? Which model would be best?

> > > Thanks in advance!

> > > A. Rahman

> > You really can't go wrong with an Ultra 5 or 10. Some people gripe
> > about them, but they're especially good for home systems. They use
> > regular VGA monitors, and IDE drives (meaning a $200 trip to Best Buy
> > will solve your drive space problems). I'm biased, since my was given
> > to me brand new. (free, the best kind)
> > Video is normally not the greatest. You'll need a Creator or other
> > such card to get your graphics up to 24 bit at higher resolutions...(I
> > don't care, since I don't use the graphics for much anyhow)

> > Matthew

> So, If I buy an Ultra 5 or 10, I can hook up a PC-compatible VGA
> monitor without using any other adapter etc.? Does Ultra use PCI based
> video cards? If yes, which brand or model of video card would you
> recommend? I don't remember noticing Solaris X86 drivers for any video
> cards.
> Thanks!

> A. Rahman

Also, Can I use a PC keyboard and mouse with Sun? Or do I absolutely
have to use a Sun keyboard?

A.R.

 
 
 

Which Sparc for a Student?

Post by Tan Zheng D » Mon, 11 Feb 2002 11:06:10







>>>>>I played with Solaris IA for a month and want to study more.
>>>>>Objectives: certification and get a junior position related to Solaris.
>>>>>I was recommended to buy Ultra 60 on e-Bay, since the prices are beaten
>>>>>so badly. Wouldn't it be an overkill for a newbie? I was told that at
>>>>>the current price levels it would serve me for a year, and I could
>>>>>probably sell it at a small loss.

>>>>OVERKILL !!  Like a sledgehammer on a carpet tack !!!

>>>>We still use Ultra 1 170E Creators on a daily basis.  They are going for
>>>>about $250 or less on ebay (without monitor).  With the proper adapter
>>>>you can use most SVGA monitors.

>>>>Jack Patteeuw

>>>I'm planning to buy a low end Sun SPARC machine from eBay. But, I'd
>>>like to use a VGA monitor . What kind of video card will I need? Will
>>>any generic PC-compatible monitor work? Which model would be best?

>>>Thanks in advance!

>>>A. Rahman

>>You really can't go wrong with an Ultra 5 or 10. Some people gripe
>>about them, but they're especially good for home systems. They use
>>regular VGA monitors, and IDE drives (meaning a $200 trip to Best Buy
>>will solve your drive space problems). I'm biased, since my was given
>>to me brand new. (free, the best kind)
>>Video is normally not the greatest. You'll need a Creator or other
>>such card to get your graphics up to 24 bit at higher resolutions...(I
>>don't care, since I don't use the graphics for much anyhow)

>>Matthew

> So, If I buy an Ultra 5 or 10, I can hook up a PC-compatible VGA
> monitor without using any other adapter etc.? Does Ultra use PCI based
> video cards? If yes, which brand or model of video card would you
> recommend? I don't remember noticing Solaris X86 drivers for any video
> cards.
> Thanks!

> A. Rahman

Hi, you can hook a PC monitor to your Sun box if either (a) the Sun box
has a VGA video output or (b) you get a Sun to VGA adapter.

But please note that your PC monitor needs to be able to support
1152x864 resolution.  Some cheap Dell/IBM 15" monitors cannot do
anything more than 800x600 and therefore will not work on any Sun boxes.
  Any 17" or above monitor should be able to support it.

--
tzd.

 
 
 

Which Sparc for a Student?

Post by mj » Mon, 11 Feb 2002 11:33:51





> > > You really can't go wrong with an Ultra 5 or 10. Some people gripe
> > > about them, but they're especially good for home systems. They use
> > > regular VGA monitors, and IDE drives (meaning a $200 trip to Best Buy
> > > will solve your drive space problems). I'm biased, since my was given
> > > to me brand new. (free, the best kind)
> > > Video is normally not the greatest. You'll need a Creator or other
> > > such card to get your graphics up to 24 bit at higher resolutions...(I
> > > don't care, since I don't use the graphics for much anyhow)

> > Don't forget, if you have a linux machine you can just remote the
> > display from the sun to the linux. I find well-written X applications
> > perform really nicely over a fast local network, and PC cards seem to
> > be better at bitblitting (e.g. scrolling a large page in netscape)
> > etc. Since my Elite3d card doesn't control my monitor just right, I
> > more often just remote the display than use the console on the sun
> > even though my machines are all on a KVM.

> Exporting the display to a Linux box sounds like a great idea? I've
> never done anything like that before. Could you please point me to
> some documentation?

> Thanks!
> A.R.

You can search around on Google for info on Xwrapper or other X
related stuff. I don't remember exactly where I've found good X
documentation. What I do on Linux is grab another terminal (ALT CTRL +
F1), login as root, and type:
Xwrapper :1 -query 172.16.x.x  (IP address of Sun system)

Like Chris mentioned, it works very well, especially over a good home
network.

Matthew

 
 
 

Which Sparc for a Student?

Post by mj » Mon, 11 Feb 2002 11:36:07








> > > > > > I played with Solaris IA for a month and want to study more.
> > > > > > Objectives: certification and get a junior position related to Solaris.
> > > > > > I was recommended to buy Ultra 60 on e-Bay, since the prices are beaten
> > > > > > so badly. Wouldn't it be an overkill for a newbie? I was told that at
> > > > > > the current price levels it would serve me for a year, and I could
> > > > > > probably sell it at a small loss.

> > > > > OVERKILL !!  Like a sledgehammer on a carpet tack !!!

> > > > > We still use Ultra 1 170E Creators on a daily basis.  They are going for
> > > > > about $250 or less on ebay (without monitor).  With the proper adapter
> > > > > you can use most SVGA monitors.

> > > > > Jack Patteeuw

> > > > I'm planning to buy a low end Sun SPARC machine from eBay. But, I'd
> > > > like to use a VGA monitor . What kind of video card will I need? Will
> > > > any generic PC-compatible monitor work? Which model would be best?

> > > > Thanks in advance!

> > > > A. Rahman

> > > You really can't go wrong with an Ultra 5 or 10. Some people gripe
> > > about them, but they're especially good for home systems. They use
> > > regular VGA monitors, and IDE drives (meaning a $200 trip to Best Buy
> > > will solve your drive space problems). I'm biased, since my was given
> > > to me brand new. (free, the best kind)
> > > Video is normally not the greatest. You'll need a Creator or other
> > > such card to get your graphics up to 24 bit at higher resolutions...(I
> > > don't care, since I don't use the graphics for much anyhow)

> > > Matthew

> > So, If I buy an Ultra 5 or 10, I can hook up a PC-compatible VGA
> > monitor without using any other adapter etc.? Does Ultra use PCI based
> > video cards? If yes, which brand or model of video card would you
> > recommend? I don't remember noticing Solaris X86 drivers for any video
> > cards.
> > Thanks!

> > A. Rahman

> Also, Can I use a PC keyboard and mouse with Sun? Or do I absolutely
> have to use a Sun keyboard?

> A.R.

Yes, with an Ultra 5/10 you can use a PC-compatible VGA monitor. As
far as the keyboard and mouse, the Sun keyboard plugs into the system,
and the mouse plugs into the keyboard. I don't think you can use a
regular PC setup. (maybe try a splitter?) I like the positioning of
the true Sun keys better anyhow, so I like having the real deal.

Matthew

 
 
 

Which Sparc for a Student?

Post by Shao W » Mon, 11 Feb 2002 12:11:35




> > Sincere thanks to all. And for Mr Shao Wu, without his warning frying a
> > Sparc <g> would be the first thing I may  have accomplished.

> > Best to all.

> I run a dual CPU Ultra-2 at home with the cover off.  It has been that way for
> quite a while with no problems.  It has three SCSI controllers and 512Mb of
> RAM.  From time to time I take a can of compressed air and blow the dust out
> ... while it is running.  My home computer room is the exact opposite of a
> raised floor server room with a ton of A/C.  The only feature I have is a
> relatively large UPS.  I never have a problem with it.

> Dennis

Are the two processors 167Mhz or 200Mhz?  These two processors don't
generate much heat compare to the later and faster modules.

The the processor modules are 360Mhz and above, I bet you are going to
be able to get a way with it.

 
 
 

Which Sparc for a Student?

Post by Robert Mullen » Mon, 11 Feb 2002 12:12:56







> > > > > I played with Solaris IA for a month and want to study more.
> > > > > Objectives: certification and get a junior position related to Solaris.
> > > > > I was recommended to buy Ultra 60 on e-Bay, since the prices are beaten
> > > > > so badly. Wouldn't it be an overkill for a newbie? I was told that at
> > > > > the current price levels it would serve me for a year, and I could
> > > > > probably sell it at a small loss.

> > > > OVERKILL !!  Like a sledgehammer on a carpet tack !!!

> > > > We still use Ultra 1 170E Creators on a daily basis.  They are going for
> > > > about $250 or less on ebay (without monitor).  With the proper adapter
> > > > you can use most SVGA monitors.

> > > > Jack Patteeuw

> > > I'm planning to buy a low end Sun SPARC machine from eBay. But, I'd
> > > like to use a VGA monitor . What kind of video card will I need? Will
> > > any generic PC-compatible monitor work? Which model would be best?

> > > Thanks in advance!

> > > A. Rahman

> > You really can't go wrong with an Ultra 5 or 10. Some people gripe
> > about them, but they're especially good for home systems. They use
> > regular VGA monitors, and IDE drives (meaning a $200 trip to Best Buy
> > will solve your drive space problems). I'm biased, since my was given
> > to me brand new. (free, the best kind)
> > Video is normally not the greatest. You'll need a Creator or other
> > such card to get your graphics up to 24 bit at higher resolutions...(I
> > don't care, since I don't use the graphics for much anyhow)

> > Matthew

> So, If I buy an Ultra 5 or 10, I can hook up a PC-compatible VGA
> monitor without using any other adapter etc.? Does Ultra use PCI based
> video cards? If yes, which brand or model of video card would you
> recommend? I don't remember noticing Solaris X86 drivers for any video
> cards.
> Thanks!

> A. Rahman

An Ultra 5 will come with an onboard 8-bit or 24-bit PGX frame buffer.
It has a standard VGA connector. You can use just about any MODERN multi-sync
monitor.  You cannot add other PC "video cards".  The Ultra 10 comes
with the onboard PGX8 or PGX24 and also can come with a higher-end
Creator 3D.  The Creator 3D does have a more * 13W3 connector, but
there is an adapter you can get that lets you connect it to a standara
PC type monitor with VGA adapter.
 
 
 

Which Sparc for a Student?

Post by Robert Mullen » Mon, 11 Feb 2002 12:14:24








> > > > > > I played with Solaris IA for a month and want to study more.
> > > > > > Objectives: certification and get a junior position related to Solaris.
> > > > > > I was recommended to buy Ultra 60 on e-Bay, since the prices are beaten
> > > > > > so badly. Wouldn't it be an overkill for a newbie? I was told that at
> > > > > > the current price levels it would serve me for a year, and I could
> > > > > > probably sell it at a small loss.

> > > > > OVERKILL !!  Like a sledgehammer on a carpet tack !!!

> > > > > We still use Ultra 1 170E Creators on a daily basis.  They are going for
> > > > > about $250 or less on ebay (without monitor).  With the proper adapter
> > > > > you can use most SVGA monitors.

> > > > > Jack Patteeuw

> > > > I'm planning to buy a low end Sun SPARC machine from eBay. But, I'd
> > > > like to use a VGA monitor . What kind of video card will I need? Will
> > > > any generic PC-compatible monitor work? Which model would be best?

> > > > Thanks in advance!

> > > > A. Rahman

> > > You really can't go wrong with an Ultra 5 or 10. Some people gripe
> > > about them, but they're especially good for home systems. They use
> > > regular VGA monitors, and IDE drives (meaning a $200 trip to Best Buy
> > > will solve your drive space problems). I'm biased, since my was given
> > > to me brand new. (free, the best kind)
> > > Video is normally not the greatest. You'll need a Creator or other
> > > such card to get your graphics up to 24 bit at higher resolutions...(I
> > > don't care, since I don't use the graphics for much anyhow)

> > > Matthew

> > So, If I buy an Ultra 5 or 10, I can hook up a PC-compatible VGA
> > monitor without using any other adapter etc.? Does Ultra use PCI based
> > video cards? If yes, which brand or model of video card would you
> > recommend? I don't remember noticing Solaris X86 drivers for any video
> > cards.
> > Thanks!

> > A. Rahman

> Also, Can I use a PC keyboard and mouse with Sun? Or do I absolutely
> have to use a Sun keyboard?

> A.R.

No you can't.  They use different connectors, there maybe an adapter
available but there is nothing wrong with the Sun kb/mouse.  No need
to use a PC kb/mouse.
 
 
 

Which Sparc for a Student?

Post by Shao W » Mon, 11 Feb 2002 12:19:27




> > So what?  If you want to learn to work with Sun machines, part of the
> > process is learning that not all computers are like a PC.

> Sort of true, on the other hand a bunch of people never have to touch
> the machines they work on (in my company the big machines are in a
> different part of town in a building I've never been in). These days I
> think a machine with special cooling requirements that is also meant
> to be a desktop user machine is sort of obnoxious. Come to think of it
> though, someone told me my NeXT Cube would overheat with the case
> _off_ also! I think this 'case is part of cooling design' trick is
> very clever, too clever for me.
> --

I think, Logan meant was people should not*around with their
machines like PCs.  The fact is, people from the PC world would tend
to fool around with their computers (and almost everybody do that).
Without know exactly what you are doing with a Sun machine, you can
kill a system easily.  And that is a very expensive learning experience!
 
 
 

Which Sparc for a Student?

Post by A. Rahm » Tue, 12 Feb 2002 04:12:25








> > > > > > I played with Solaris IA for a month and want to study more.
> > > > > > Objectives: certification and get a junior position related to Solaris.
> > > > > > I was recommended to buy Ultra 60 on e-Bay, since the prices are beaten
> > > > > > so badly. Wouldn't it be an overkill for a newbie? I was told that at
> > > > > > the current price levels it would serve me for a year, and I could
> > > > > > probably sell it at a small loss.

> > > > > OVERKILL !!  Like a sledgehammer on a carpet tack !!!

> > > > > We still use Ultra 1 170E Creators on a daily basis.  They are going for
> > > > > about $250 or less on ebay (without monitor).  With the proper adapter
> > > > > you can use most SVGA monitors.

> > > > > Jack Patteeuw

> > > > I'm planning to buy a low end Sun SPARC machine from eBay. But, I'd
> > > > like to use a VGA monitor . What kind of video card will I need? Will
> > > > any generic PC-compatible monitor work? Which model would be best?

> > > > Thanks in advance!

> > > > A. Rahman

> > > You really can't go wrong with an Ultra 5 or 10. Some people gripe
> > > about them, but they're especially good for home systems. They use
> > > regular VGA monitors, and IDE drives (meaning a $200 trip to Best Buy
> > > will solve your drive space problems). I'm biased, since my was given
> > > to me brand new. (free, the best kind)
> > > Video is normally not the greatest. You'll need a Creator or other
> > > such card to get your graphics up to 24 bit at higher resolutions...(I
> > > don't care, since I don't use the graphics for much anyhow)

> > > Matthew

> > So, If I buy an Ultra 5 or 10, I can hook up a PC-compatible VGA
> > monitor without using any other adapter etc.? Does Ultra use PCI based
> > video cards? If yes, which brand or model of video card would you
> > recommend? I don't remember noticing Solaris X86 drivers for any video
> > cards.
> > Thanks!

> > A. Rahman

> An Ultra 5 will come with an onboard 8-bit or 24-bit PGX frame buffer.
> It has a standard VGA connector. You can use just about any MODERN multi-sync
> monitor.  You cannot add other PC "video cards".  The Ultra 10 comes
> with the onboard PGX8 or PGX24 and also can come with a higher-end
> Creator 3D.  The Creator 3D does have a more * 13W3 connector, but
> there is an adapter you can get that lets you connect it to a standara
> PC type monitor with VGA adapter.

Thanks to everyone for their valuable input. The reason I was asking
about PC Compatible keyborad is cause I have a KVM. If it supported
generic Windows keyboards, I could've just used the KVM. Don't mind
using the Sun keyboard, but it'll just take up more space on my desk.
 
 
 

Which Sparc for a Student?

Post by Rakesh Vidyadhara » Sun, 10 Feb 2002 09:31:58



> Hi All,

> I played with Solaris IA for a month and want to study more.
> Objectives: certification and get a junior position related to Solaris.
> I was recommended to buy Ultra 60 on e-Bay, since the prices are beaten
> so badly. Wouldn't it be an overkill for a newbie? I was told that at
> the current price levels it would serve me for a year, and I could
> probably sell it at a small loss.

> I think, I am doing OK with x86 so far, but I was told that I will need
> some software that is not ported to IA.

> Thank you in advance.

Used Ultra30's are going for about $500 these days on ebay.  I have
one, and am very happy with its performance.  Ultra60's (especially
the dual CPU ones) will give you better performance if you make use of
the additional processor or get one with >300MHz, but I think they are
still too pricey.

Rakesh
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