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Quote:>Andre van Eyssen,
>Kaelos Computing. (T4216908)

>"One who is not wise himself cannot be well advised"
>                                     ---Machiavelli
>                                     The Prince s23

Fred

Flatulence of the mind is harder to remedy than flatulence of the body.

When I hear the words 'Connected', 'Trust' and 'Under Control',
I reach for my revolver.

If UNIX is the revenge of the nerds, the rest of the industry is the
football team and the cheerleading squad trying to produce a science
project, and expecting an 'A' because they're the football team and
the cheerleading squad.

Quote:> >Andre van Eyssen,
> >Kaelos Computing. (T4216908)

> >"One who is not wise himself cannot be well advised"
> >                                     ---Machiavelli
> >                                     The Prince s23

> Have you ever pondered that statement at greater length ?

> Fred

> Flatulence of the mind is harder to remedy than flatulence of the
> body.

> When I hear the words 'Connected', 'Trust' and 'Under Control',
> I reach for my revolver.

> If UNIX is the revenge of the nerds, the rest of the industry is the
> football team and the cheerleading squad trying to produce a science
> project, and expecting an 'A' because they're the football team and
> the cheerleading squad.

Quote:> > >>users. (Same thing I suppose.) To quote from the vi manual: "vi -
> > >>pronounced vee-eye".

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"Those who would do away with essential liberties for the sake of a
little safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." - Benjamin Franklin

writes:

(Probably because people inclined to claim the implication would have said "Duh"
when confronted with the phrase "Usenet News", and would have been laughed off
the newsgroup if they had attempted it.)

But now with hordes of Connected riffraff and others suffering from similarly
slack-jawed degenerations infesting the net and their prizing being "people
oriented" as being (far past cleanliness) second only to Godliness (ultimately
in service of the glories of national participation in the "market economy") and
far more important than substance of belief, quality of ideas, or any other such
absolute standards, this state of mind has become more and more prevalent.  Very
unfortunate, and again, of course, advancing the state of the art.

(The longer it lasts, the harder the reckoning will be, and the nation will be
poorer for it as the rest of the world flies by laughing still at those
benighted Americans.)

Quote:>> >Andre van Eyssen,
>> >Kaelos Computing. (T4216908)

When I hear the words 'Connected', 'Trust' and 'Under Control',
I reach for my revolver.

If UNIX is the revenge of the nerds, the rest of the industry is the
football team and the cheerleading squad trying to produce a science
project, and expecting an 'A' because they're the football team and
the cheerleading squad.

On Mon, 30 Jun 1997 15:18:56 -0400, Jonathan Bodarky

<snip rant on vi>

Quote:

>I love unix... especially this group.  ONLY HERE COULD SOMEONE RELATE
>SOMEONE'S SOCIAL SKILLS TO THEIR PRONOUNCIATION OF VI.  Amazing :-)

Aaaah. That's better.

The words are political codephrases which are used by adherents of a mindset
here in the US which can conveniently be called the "Connected" which seeks to
encourage orthodoxy, conformity, willing acceptance of authority, particularly
of the sociopolitical kind (but starting with a reglorification of fatherhood -
the paternal moment on a personal level), and of established worldly power
dynamics.  At the highest levels, it serves the interest of those elements of
the American (and supranational) national security and governmental complex who
seek at best to create a docile and thus allegedly productive workforce which
will permit the continuation of America's desparate participation in the
national figment of the "world market economy" (an overblown wraith on the one
hand promoted by American profiteers but on the other the cause of so much
concern for American leaders and suffering for American workers - it is farcical
to see the American giant panting breathlessly to keep up in the footrace
against "the competition" who mystifyingly seem to be continually more nimble,
and untiring), but more generally are simply interested in silencing internal
dissent and keeping the people "under Control" for its own sake.  It is a
protofascism very similar to the kind that was used to give birth to Nazism in
Germany.  I see hints of it infiltrating (and it is consciously infiltrated into
societies to subvert them to its ends, and is called a "virus" by its adherents)
European societies, notably in Britain, where Thatcher I suspect originated some
of its key tenets, in Germany, where it suits a certain inclination to doglike
good behavior (a failing in the otherwise estimable German national character),
and in other places, but my sources of information are the American press (poor
at best) the international press (sparse) and usenet (variable...).  One would
expect that since the European populations are more educated and have far
stronger and older cultural background, it would not make much headway, but you
never know.  How is the situation in Holland ?

The quote, in case you didn't recognize it, is from Goering (the head of the
German Luftwaffe), who said "when I hear the word 'culture', I reach for my
revolver".  I found it amusing to humbly attempt to turn a quote from this
prototypical fat conservative loudmouth against his ilk.

Cheers,

Fred

When I hear the words 'Connected', 'Trust' and 'Under Control',
I reach for my revolver.

If UNIX is the revenge of the nerds, the rest of the industry is the
football team and the cheerleading squad trying to produce a science
project, and expecting an 'A' because they're the football team and
the cheerleading squad.

Quote:> The quote, in case you didn't recognize it, is from Goering (the head of the
> German Luftwaffe), who said "when I hear the word 'culture', I reach for my
> revolver".  I found it amusing to humbly attempt to turn a quote from this
> prototypical fat conservative loudmouth against his ilk.

> Cheers,

> Fred

> When I hear the words 'Connected', 'Trust' and 'Under Control',
> I reach for my revolver.

> If UNIX is the revenge of the nerds, the rest of the industry is the
> football team and the cheerleading squad trying to produce a science
> project, and expecting an 'A' because they're the football team and
> the cheerleading squad.

Maybe your post is an example of one of the "slack-jawed degenerations
infesting the net"... or maybe just "Connected riffraff"?

(I couldn't resist!)

        -Duncan

Quote:> (I couldn't resist!)

>    -Duncan

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- The words are political codephrases which are used by adherents of a mindset
- here in the US which can conveniently be called the "Connected" which seeks
- to encourage orthodoxy, conformity, willing acceptance of authority,
- particularly of the sociopolitical kind (but starting with a reglorification
- of fatherhood - the paternal moment on a personal level), and of established
- worldly power dynamics.  At the highest levels, it serves the interest of
- those elements of the American (and supranational) national security and
- governmental complex who seek at best to create a docile and thus allegedly
- productive workforce which will permit the continuation of America's
- desparate participation in the national figment of the "world market economy"
- (an overblown wraith on the one hand promoted by American profiteers but on
- the other the cause of so much concern for American leaders and suffering for
- American workers - it is farcical to see the American giant panting
- breathlessly to keep up in the footrace against "the competition" who
- mystifyingly seem to be continually more nimble, and untiring), but more
- generally are simply interested in silencing internal dissent and keeping the
- people "under Control" for its own sake.

Do you see these things often?

--
"Love is a snowmobile racing across the tundra.  Suddenly it flips over,
pinning you underneath.  At night the ice weasels come."  --Nietzsche

Quote:> > > >>users. (Same thing I suppose.) To quote from the vi manual: "vi -
> > > >>pronounced vee-eye".

> Not on the three major-vendor Unices I checked...

The Berkeley 2.9 and 4.2 manuals had that.

Simplest job description on the project:
Make everything work with everything else.

Simplest job description on the project:
Make everything work with everything else.

Quote:> > > > >>users. (Same thing I suppose.) To quote from the vi manual: "vi -
> > > > >>pronounced vee-eye".
> > Not on the three major-vendor Unices I checked...
> But see the O'Reilly book, Learning the vi Editor.  On
> page 1:  (vi is short for visual editor and is
> pronounced "vee-eye.")

The work I would regard as canonic on computer lexicographic matters
is the Jargon File, AKA New Hacker's Dictionary. Indeed, it states
that the pronunciation is "/V-I/, not /vi:/ and never /siks/".

It does, however, state the etymology as "from `Visual Interface'",
not "editor".

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David Lawver - speaking for me, not UW-Madison, DoIT, or anyone else

"Those who would do away with essential liberties for the sake of a
little safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." - Benjamin Franklin

I read it somewhere.

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