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by **John Bart** » Fri, 15 Nov 2002 13:25:56

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To download visit: http://wwws.sun.com/software/download/app_servers.html

by **Dragan Cvetkovi** » Fri, 15 Nov 2002 23:57:56

> Sun ONE Application Server 7, Platform Edition is free for development
> and deployment on all major operating systems and Sun ONE Application
> Server 7, Standard Edition, which provides remote management
> capabilities, is available for $2,000/CPU.

> To download visit: http://wwws.sun.com/software/download/app_servers.html

Why is it not available for Solaris/x86? The name of the file,
sun-appserver7-sol-sparc.tar.gz, suggests it is Solaris/SPARC only.

Bye, Dragan

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by **Dave Thompso** » Sat, 16 Nov 2002 00:32:17

Quote:> The Sun ONE Application Server 7 product, available on Solaris 8 and 9
> OEs and tightly integrated with the new Sun ONE Studio Enterprise
> Edition 4 Update 1 and Sun ONE Application Framework 2.0, is a newly
> architected application server that has many new features that enhance
> the developer experience for creating, assembling and deploying web
> applications. This new version of the application server is J2EE 1.3
> compatible. In addition the Sun ONE Application Server 7 provides the
> basis for an integration platform with built-in support for web
> services standards such as SOAP and WSDL, plus tools and support for
> the J2EE Connector Architecture.

Maybe this is a stupid question, but I don't know a lot about the Java
technologies out there... Anybody know if code written to run under WebSphere
will run under the Sun product? I'm looking for any way possible to get rid of
WebSphere...

by **Chris Newpor** » Sat, 16 Nov 2002 00:46:55

> Maybe this is a stupid question, but I don't know a lot about the Java
> technologies out there... Anybody know if code written to run under WebSphere
> will run under the Sun product? I'm looking for any way possible to get rid of
> WebSphere...

Java code is, in theory, portable so it should not be difficult.
You may need to do some tweaking depending upon the exact
implementation.

by **Drazen Kaca** » Sat, 16 Nov 2002 01:02:28

> Maybe this is a stupid question, but I don't know a lot about the Java
> technologies out there... Anybody know if code written to run under
> WebSphere will run under the Sun product? I'm looking for any way
> possible to get rid of WebSphere...

It should if it doesn't use WebSphere extensions. And you might need to
tweak metadata a bit, but that shouldn't be too hard.

What's wrong with WebSphere, BTW?

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by **Dave Thompso** » Sat, 16 Nov 2002 01:12:52

> > Maybe this is a stupid question, but I don't know a lot about the Java
> > technologies out there... Anybody know if code written to run under
> > WebSphere will run under the Sun product? I'm looking for any way
> > possible to get rid of WebSphere...

> It should if it doesn't use WebSphere extensions. And you might need to
> tweak metadata a bit, but that shouldn't be too hard.

> What's wrong with WebSphere, BTW?

WebSphere, like it's database counterpart, DB2, is terribly poorly engineered -
the amount of administrative effort my team goes through just to keep the thing
running is amazing. I can't even count the number of bugs and problems I and
other folks on my team have found in it, it's slow as molasses in January, very
expensive and, quite frankly, after dealing with this combined with the
downright piss-poor design and lack of useful functionality of DB2, I've had it
with IBM and their crappy "e-Business" products.

by **Michael Jooste** » Sun, 17 Nov 2002 09:29:54

> > What's wrong with WebSphere, BTW?

> WebSphere, like it's database counterpart, DB2, is terribly poorly engineered -
> the amount of administrative effort my team goes through just to keep the thing
> running is amazing. I can't even count the number of bugs and problems I and
> other folks on my team have found in it, it's slow as molasses in January, very

Not that it fits into this newgroup, but...
Which version?
The rumour I heard some time ago that WS became much better since 4.5 or
so. Speed and deployment speed was supposed to be abyssal, I heard nice
numbers of 10 LOC per day, because the edit-compile-test cycles took
endless...

Still that bad?
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by **Roger Marqui** » Tue, 19 Nov 2002 08:23:20

Quote:>Anybody know if code written to run under WebSphere
>will run under the Sun product? I'm looking for any
>way possible to get rid of WebSphere...

Nope, far as I know Websphere, Weblogic, Dynamo, ... are all
proprietary extensions to Java. Code written for one must be
re-written to run under anything else.

The advantage to these proprietary extensions is execution speed.

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by **tekk** » Tue, 19 Nov 2002 08:46:25

>> > What's wrong with WebSphere, BTW?

>> WebSphere, like it's database counterpart, DB2, is terribly poorly engineered -
>> the amount of administrative effort my team goes through just to keep the thing
>> running is amazing. I can't even count the number of bugs and problems I and
>> other folks on my team have found in it, it's slow as molasses in January, very

>Not that it fits into this newgroup, but...
>Which version?
>The rumour I heard some time ago that WS became much better since 4.5 or
>so. Speed and deployment speed was supposed to be abyssal, I heard nice
>numbers of 10 LOC per day, because the edit-compile-test cycles took
>endless...

>Still that bad?

I do realise that this is totally OT but! Frankly i was shocked to
learn that Websphere is crap. For the longest time i stood on the side
of the fence which sait IBM hardware was good. I have recently
retracted this point of view to the point where i have ejected ALL IBM
hardware from my home and office, will never again buy anything IBM
and will specifically request that all equipment i or any of my
clients ever purchase is specifically not "big blue". ever. Why?
because i have had the same 30Gb HDD going around in circles for 18
months, it has been replaced FIVE times. Now they say "sorry, out of
warranty". The replacement on my desk i labelled as being manufactured
in May 2002. Yes, i am fully aware of consumer law, however i am quite
simply no longer interested. Instead, I and the other members of of
the model flying club I belong to, will shortly be running a Christmas
Competition, The object of the excercise? To make an IBM drive FLY. As
you are all probably aware, most things can fly but not all things can
land successfully!! I am going to title the page with the oldie but
goodie "IBM - Its Being Mended" or in this particular case, NOT.

tekkno, feeling much better he now has this off his chest.

by **Rich Tee** » Tue, 19 Nov 2002 09:53:21

> simply no longer interested. Instead, I and the other members of of
> the model flying club I belong to, will shortly be running a Christmas
> Competition, The object of the excercise? To make an IBM drive FLY. As
> you are all probably aware, most things can fly but not all things can
> land successfully!! I am going to title the page with the oldie but
> goodie "IBM - Its Being Mended" or in this particular case, NOT.

Hey - if it flies, you can use the disk as a gyro!

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by **tekk** » Wed, 20 Nov 2002 08:20:37

>> simply no longer interested. Instead, I and the other members of of
>> the model flying club I belong to, will shortly be running a Christmas
>> Competition, The object of the excercise? To make an IBM drive FLY. As
>> you are all probably aware, most things can fly but not all things can
>> land successfully!! I am going to title the page with the oldie but
>> goodie "IBM - Its Being Mended" or in this particular case, NOT.

>Hey - if it flies, you can use the disk as a gyro!

Hmm. Not in MY Futura, it cost far too much to risk it with an IBM
gyro. I'm gonna post the results here though.

tekkno.

by **Michael Jooste** » Thu, 21 Nov 2002 02:36:22

Sigh... To be more specific:

Quote:
> Not that it fits into this newgroup, but...
> Which version?
> The rumour I heard some time ago that WS became much better since 4.5 or
> so. Speed and deployment speed was supposed to be abyssal, I heard nice

These comments were issued for WAS 3.X, but 4.0 wasn't THAT much better,
as the many comments on www.theserverside.com show...

Quote:> numbers of 10 LOC per day, because the edit-compile-test cycles took
> endless...

The tedious deployment was apparently one of the main shortcomings of
WAS 3.X and 4.0, this annoyed the more resolute developers in many cases
to go to either JBoss or Orion.
Plus the differences of WAS Single Server vs. WAS Developer and Advanced
Edition, as they behave slightly different.

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