Very Computer

 SC> OpenStep for Solaris.  Just downloaded it myself - very clean, although
 SC> I'm having odd mouse behaviour - I think it's because a S2.5.1 patch
 SC> isn't out for OpenStep yet.  Otherwise, the best 100MB of hard drive
 SC> real-estate I've spent in a long time.

Then maybe you can tell me how to make the #%$!#* thing work. I installed it
on a SS4, but it keeps moaning about the resolution not being 72x72. The -dpi
option of Xsun seems to be silently ignored (it has no visible effect). On
what hardware did you try it?

Eric Daniel

        ----------
        #!/bin/ksh
        #export XINITRC=$HOME/.xinitrc.o6p
        #export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/openstep/lib
        #export PATH=$PATH:/usr/openstep/bin

        openwin -dev /dev/fb0 dpix 72 dpiy 72 $* -wm oswm
        ----------

rick

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: Then maybe you can tell me how to make the #%$!#* thing work. I installed it
: on a SS4, but it keeps moaning about the resolution not being 72x72. The -dpi
: option of Xsun seems to be silently ignored (it has no visible effect). On
: what hardware did you try it?

: Eric Daniel

I got it running on a SPARCstation 4 running Solaris 2.5 with CDE. Just
download the CDE package from Sun's Web site. Almost as if you're running
NeXTSTEP.

stef

I installed OpenStep on my sparc10 with 128mb of RAM and I was not
impressed
at all even if it was free! It is painfully sloooow even in 8bit mode.
Using it remains of logging into my job on a 9600bps modem via PPP.

Also has anyone figured out how to add non OpenStep apps to the Dock.

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    Openstep runs on top of CDE also.  Its terminal program sucks up
    lots of CPU and memory.  You can't drag and drop between CDE and
    openstep.  Openstep doesn't save the position of the windows, and
    whether or not they're hidden or minimized.  There are some features
    of its user interface that I like, but there is little functionality
    that CDE doesn't supply in one form or another.

    When is someone going to come out w/a gui in which I can configure
    the type of scrollbar, where the scrollbar is positioned; same for
    title bar buttons.

    -- Brad

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Until the next disk seek...

I, too use OpenStep on a Sparc 10 with only 32MB and CG6 (GX) graphics.  
It is really slow.  Before I burned out on the consulting industry, I had
a Sparc 20 mod 51 64/2GB with NeXTSTEP 3.3 which was absolutely the best
(though not most standard) platform I have ever worked on.  CDE runs well
 on a Sparc 10, but it is tru, OpenStep is a dog.

For those who loved NeXTSTEP, OpenStep is a fondly remembered friend.  
When I need speed and better color mapping, I still use CDE.  If speeds
were identical, and there were more OpenStep apps (like a version of
Solstice that works like NetInfo's apps), OpenStep would be my preferred
UI without hesitation.

Mike Rousseau
SysAdmin
City of Aspen

If you're running CDE, copy /usr/dt/config/Xservers and Xconfig to
/etc/dt/config, and change the arguments to the Xsun server startup so
that the display starts up with the right resolution.  My 8 bit Sparc 5
has the following line:

Add that, restart X (I reboot cause I'm lazy, but restarting the X
server from the CDE login panel might work), and you should then be
able to start openstep from a command prompt.  I have found that after
a few days of running, that Openstep eventually exhausts VM and must be
restarted.

Tim

: : Then maybe you can tell me how to make the #%$!#* thing work. I installed it
: : on a SS4, but it keeps moaning about the resolution not being 72x72. The -dpi
: : option of Xsun seems to be silently ignored (it has no visible effect). On
: : what hardware did you try it?

: I got it to work by supplying
:    -fb /dev/fb dpix 72 dpiy 72

: I installed OpenStep on my sparc10 with 128mb of RAM and I was not
: impressed
: at all even if it was free! It is painfully sloooow even in 8bit mode.

App startup is slower on Openstep, but once they're running apps -
Openstep and non-Openstep apps - run at a normal speed.  I haven't run
it on a Sparc 10, but I've been using it on a couple of 8 bit 64MB
Sparc 5s and, subjectively speaking of course, it's running as fast as
regular CDE does.  

The file viewer itself runs a little slower than the CDE one, and
definitely takes longer to start up, but that's because it's working
it's way through the apps in your openstep app path to find out which
apps can open which documents.  Remember that unlike X and Windows,
documents may be 'owned' by several Openstep applications (with one
primary) not just one.  Your call as to whether it's desirable to have
the desktop ignore /etc/magic.

: Also has anyone figured out how to add non OpenStep apps to the Dock.
This is easy - just drag the application icon from the Openstep file
viewer to the doc.  Don't do it from the CDE file viewer - that won't
work.  I've dropped a bunch of shell scripts and regular X
apps there and they all lock to the dock and do the right thing when
double-clicked.

Timothy Reed, Black Market Technologies, Inc.

"Written documentation is an admission of failure."