Sun Blade 100 + PGX 64 Graphics

Sun Blade 100 + PGX 64 Graphics

Post by Doug Hollan » Thu, 01 Mar 2001 08:18:05



Has anyone got their hands on a Blade 100 Workstation yet, Sun is
selling a 500 MHz version for $950.00, ... what are your views of this
system, and does anyone know if Sun plans to make available the PGX 64
Graphics as a separate card for those of us with Ultra 5's ???

Thanks in advance

Doug Holland
Precision Objects Inc.

 
 
 

Sun Blade 100 + PGX 64 Graphics

Post by doug » Thu, 01 Mar 2001 10:20:39


Hey Farul

Thanks for the update there, looks like I'll have to save up and buy
myself a Blade 100/1000 ...

Thanks again

Doug



> >Has anyone got their hands on a Blade 100 Workstation yet, Sun is
> >selling a 500 MHz version for $950.00, ... what are your views of this
> >system, and does anyone know if Sun plans to make available the PGX 64
> >Graphics as a separate card for those of us with Ultra 5's ???

> >Thanks in advance

> >Doug Holland
> >Precision Objects Inc.

> Not likely unfortunately, the PGX64 is a 64 bit 66MHz card while all
> the PCI cards on the Ultra 5/10 are 32 bit/33MHz ones.


 
 
 

Sun Blade 100 + PGX 64 Graphics

Post by pete » Thu, 01 Mar 2001 10:35:15



Quote:

>Has anyone got their hands on a Blade 100 Workstation yet, Sun is
>selling a 500 MHz version for $950.00, ... what are your views of this
>system,

When I called SunStore and talked to sales person the other day,
they had no idea what I was talking about when I asked them about
the IEEE 1394 port in the new machines. They did not even know
what 'firewire' is. (yet, it is listed as one of the ports on
the those machines).

It seems Sun new machine, the blade 100, does not yet support firewire
hard drive devices on that port. Only some kind of limited firewire
digital camera are supported. (they do not even list of their web site
what devices are supported, one has to call to find out).

Here we are, looking at the latest and greates that Sun can come up with,
and they still do not support the very basic IEEE 1394 devices (hard disk),
which windows supportd for more than a year now, and linux support as well,
and apple, except Sun.

isn't this pathetic or what?

I am not buying this machine.

may be in 5 years from now Sun will figure how to add support to firewire
harddrives, once they finish .com'ing the world.

pete.

 
 
 

Sun Blade 100 + PGX 64 Graphics

Post by Roland Main » Thu, 01 Mar 2001 16:37:10



> Has anyone got their hands on a Blade 100 Workstation yet, Sun is
> selling a 500 MHz version for $950.00, ... what are your views of this
> system, and does anyone know if Sun plans to make available the PGX 64
> Graphics as a separate card for those of us with Ultra 5's ???

AFAIK - based on Blade100 descriprtions and some m64-patch READMEs the
"famous" PGX64 is nothing else than a ATI RageXL.
And noone prevents you from pluggin one or two more m64 framebuffers
into your machine -
http://www.belwue.de/aktivitaeten/projekte/SUN-SH-2-SUN-DH.html
(translation on demand...) describes the prodecure - and I added a 2nd
ATI RagePro in my own Ultra5...

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Sun Blade 100 + PGX 64 Graphics

Post by Fredrik Lundho » Thu, 01 Mar 2001 19:57:54




>> Not likely unfortunately, the PGX64 is a 64 bit 66MHz card while all
>> the PCI cards on the Ultra 5/10 are 32 bit/33MHz ones.

What? The PGX64 as fitted in blade 100 sits on a 32bit/33MHz bus
as does Expert 3d lite.
a shame

/Fredrik

 
 
 

Sun Blade 100 + PGX 64 Graphics

Post by Roland Main » Thu, 01 Mar 2001 21:21:09



> >> Not likely unfortunately, the PGX64 is a 64 bit 66MHz card while all
> >> the PCI cards on the Ultra 5/10 are 32 bit/33MHz ones.

> What? The PGX64 as fitted in blade 100 sits on a 32bit/33MHz bus
> as does Expert 3d lite.
> a shame

  ^^^^^^^

Yup... ;-((

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Sun Blade 100 + PGX 64 Graphics

Post by farul ghazal » Thu, 01 Mar 2001 23:03:13




> In article


> >> Not likely unfortunately, the PGX64 is a 64 bit 66MHz card while all
> >> the PCI cards on the Ultra 5/10 are 32 bit/33MHz ones.

> What? The PGX64 as fitted in blade 100 sits on a 32bit/33MHz bus
> as does Expert 3d lite.
> a shame

My mistake on the PGX64 but the Expert 3D lite is not a 32bit/33MHz
card. See

http://www.sun.com/desktop/products/graphics/expert3dlite/details.htm...
mily

Basically the Expert 3D lite is a 64 bit 66/33MHz board which will work
at 66MHz or 33MHz depending on the slot. I haven't really looked at mine
but from what I remember the Ultra 5 has 32 bit/33MHz slots only.

 
 
 

Sun Blade 100 + PGX 64 Graphics

Post by Doug Hollan » Sat, 03 Mar 2001 10:19:23


Sun claim that the Creator 3D card won't fit inside the Ultra 5 but I've
heard rumors that it will and Sun just want you to by a bigger more
expensive workstation, is that true ...

Shame the Expert 3D Lite doesn't claim to fit inside, even if it does then
just run at 33 MHz ...

I'm not a graphics expert and so don't need blinding graphics speed, I just
want to run a nice resolution of at least 1280x1024 at 24 bit color, and you
can't do that with PGX24 :(

Doug




> > In article


> > >> Not likely unfortunately, the PGX64 is a 64 bit 66MHz card while all
> > >> the PCI cards on the Ultra 5/10 are 32 bit/33MHz ones.

> > What? The PGX64 as fitted in blade 100 sits on a 32bit/33MHz bus
> > as does Expert 3d lite.
> > a shame

> My mistake on the PGX64 but the Expert 3D lite is not a 32bit/33MHz
> card. See

> http://www.sun.com/desktop/products/graphics/expert3dlite/details.htm...
> mily

> Basically the Expert 3D lite is a 64 bit 66/33MHz board which will work
> at 66MHz or 33MHz depending on the slot. I haven't really looked at mine
> but from what I remember the Ultra 5 has 32 bit/33MHz slots only.

 
 
 

Sun Blade 100 + PGX 64 Graphics

Post by Roland Main » Sun, 04 Mar 2001 00:14:49



> Sun claim that the Creator 3D card won't fit inside the Ultra 5 but I've
> heard rumors that it will and Sun just want you to by a bigger more
> expensive workstation, is that true ...

> Shame the Expert 3D Lite doesn't claim to fit inside, even if it does then
> just run at 33 MHz ...

> I'm not a graphics expert and so don't need blinding graphics speed, I just
> want to run a nice resolution of at least 1280x1024 at 24 bit color, and you
> can't do that with PGX24 :(

You can do that (in theory). I have a 2nd PGX24 (=ATI RagePro PCI) card
in my Ultra5.
In Blade_100_ the build-in gfx chip is a ATI RageXL driven by the same
m64 driver.
Therefore - in theory - it should be possible to plug-in a 2nd ATI
RageXL in a PCI slot and it should work (don't forget to "boot -r" and
check for any messages from the m64 driver (int xxx jumper not set
correctly)...
... and if it works - please report it here... :-)

Unfortunaltely both gfx cards would set on the same PCI port - do only
expect ~~ "half" the gfx performance (OK... RageXL may be "accerlated" -
but that does not help in the case of full screen animation/video
playback...).

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Sun Blade 100 + PGX 64 Graphics

Post by Philip Bro » Mon, 12 Mar 2001 07:41:34



>Sun claim that the Creator 3D card won't fit inside the Ultra 5 but I've
>heard rumors that it will and Sun just want you to by a bigger more
>expensive workstation, is that true ...

yeup, you just need to get a different case ;-)

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