PMfirewall vs Firestarter...a poll....

PMfirewall vs Firestarter...a poll....

Post by Larry Clar » Fri, 15 Sep 2000 04:00:00



PMfirewall (www.pointman.org)
vs.
Firestarter (http://firestarter.sourceforge.net/ )

who have used both?

which did you like best?

do they work?

comments:

 
 
 

PMfirewall vs Firestarter...a poll....

Post by Tim Hayne » Fri, 15 Sep 2000 04:00:00



> PMfirewall (www.pointman.org)
> vs.
> Firestarter (http://firestarter.sourceforge.net/ )

OK, instant vote: vi. And Xemacs. If you're going to knock one up, it's a
hell of a lot easier to do it yourself than read through some script's
output.

Quote:> who have used both?

Used PMfirewall once. Seen output a few times. I don't approve of some of
the spot-port rules, there being no need to look for things like 31337 and
what-not if your firewall is generic enough.

If you want a graphical overview of your firewall, I also like `gfcc', btw.

~Tim
--

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PMfirewall vs Firestarter...a poll....

Post by DCE » Sat, 16 Sep 2000 04:00:00



> PMfirewall (www.pointman.org)
> vs.
> Firestarter (http://firestarter.sourceforge.net/ )

> who have used both?

> which did you like best?

> do they work?

> comments:

I use pmfirewall along with logcheck to check for conditions I should
know about. I works great with the interactive setup for pmfirewall
automatically setting up a good first firewall. But after looking at the
features for firestarter i must say it looks good. It is one of the few
firewalls in linux that allows you to build a firewall ruleset
dynamically as you go. This is along the lines of zone alarm for windows
and ZA is good and easy to use allowing you to interactively build your
rule set as you go. This is a good method, on first startup zone alarm
denies everything in and out and as any traffic tries to leave or enter
ZA asks  what you  want to do with it and then magically fabricates a
rule to accomplish it. It would nice if firestarter worked completely
like this (in regards to outbound traffic since some programs and
Trojans try to communicate to the outside without your knowledge), but
it is a excellent start IMHO and allows the beginner to  interactively
build a rule set with out even knowing what a rule is. Pmfirewall builds
the initial rule set but there on you have to make any changes/additions
manually. Firestarter gives more flexibility in  regards to the rule set
(if not designing the rules manually, but you have to be in xwindows
while FS is doing its thing (pmfirewall has no need for Xwindow). Why
not try both and see for yourself.
 
 
 

PMfirewall vs Firestarter...a poll....

Post by Pete » Sat, 16 Sep 2000 04:00:00





> > PMfirewall (www.pointman.org)
> > vs.
> > Firestarter (http://firestarter.sourceforge.net/ )

> > who have used both?

> > which did you like best?

> > do they work?

> > comments:

> I use pmfirewall along with logcheck to check for conditions I should
> know about. I works great with the interactive setup for pmfirewall
> automatically setting up a good first firewall. But after looking at
the
> features for firestarter i must say it looks good. It is one of the
few
> firewalls in linux that allows you to build a firewall ruleset
> dynamically as you go. This is along the lines of zone alarm for
windows
> and ZA is good and easy to use allowing you to interactively build
your
> rule set as you go. This is a good method, on first startup zone alarm
> denies everything in and out and as any traffic tries to leave or
enter
> ZA asks  what you  want to do with it and then magically fabricates a
> rule to accomplish it. It would nice if firestarter worked completely
> like this (in regards to outbound traffic since some programs and
> Trojans try to communicate to the outside without your knowledge), but
> it is a excellent start IMHO and allows the beginner to  interactively
> build a rule set with out even knowing what a rule is. Pmfirewall
builds
> the initial rule set but there on you have to make any
changes/additions
> manually. Firestarter gives more flexibility in  regards to the rule
set
> (if not designing the rules manually, but you have to be in xwindows
> while FS is doing its thing (pmfirewall has no need for Xwindow). Why
> not try both and see for yourself.

PmFirewall is the quickest way to get a working firewall but some of
its rules can be improved by manually hacking the file afterwards. In
particular it doesn't seem too clever when dealing with IDENT
connections -it goes for an all or nothing approach which isn't too
brilliant, but you'll have it up and running in 5 mins :-)

Since I don't run X on any of my server boxes I've not tried FS, and
won't be.

To sidetrack a bit ZA has one BIG fault -it should pass private IP
addresses (since they can't be routed over the internet) but doesn't,
and you can't persuade it to either! If you have a network with a
number of machines running samba it will stop them talking to the host.
I've found no way around this since it doesn't offer to let it thro,
just says it's blocked it! So ZA brilliant for stand alone machine,
hopeless for networks -but Steve does say it's a personal firewall so I
suppose you can't complain.

Pete

Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.

 
 
 

PMfirewall vs Firestarter...a poll....

Post by DCE » Wed, 20 Sep 2000 04:00:00






> > > PMfirewall (www.pointman.org)
> > > vs.
> > > Firestarter (http://firestarter.sourceforge.net/ )

> > > who have used both?

> > > which did you like best?

> > > do they work?

> > > comments:

> > I use pmfirewall along with logcheck to check for conditions I should
> > know about. I works great with the interactive setup for pmfirewall
> > automatically setting up a good first firewall. But after looking at
> the
> > features for firestarter i must say it looks good. It is one of the
> few
> > firewalls in linux that allows you to build a firewall ruleset
> > dynamically as you go. This is along the lines of zone alarm for
> windows
> > and ZA is good and easy to use allowing you to interactively build
> your
> > rule set as you go. This is a good method, on first startup zone alarm
> > denies everything in and out and as any traffic tries to leave or
> enter
> > ZA asks  what you  want to do with it and then magically fabricates a
> > rule to accomplish it. It would nice if firestarter worked completely
> > like this (in regards to outbound traffic since some programs and
> > Trojans try to communicate to the outside without your knowledge), but
> > it is a excellent start IMHO and allows the beginner to  interactively
> > build a rule set with out even knowing what a rule is. Pmfirewall
> builds
> > the initial rule set but there on you have to make any
> changes/additions
> > manually. Firestarter gives more flexibility in  regards to the rule
> set
> > (if not designing the rules manually, but you have to be in xwindows
> > while FS is doing its thing (pmfirewall has no need for Xwindow). Why
> > not try both and see for yourself.

> PmFirewall is the quickest way to get a working firewall but some of
> its rules can be improved by manually hacking the file afterwards. In
> particular it doesn't seem too clever when dealing with IDENT
> connections -it goes for an all or nothing approach which isn't too
> brilliant, but you'll have it up and running in 5 mins :-)

> Since I don't run X on any of my server boxes I've not tried FS, and
> won't be.

> To sidetrack a bit ZA has one BIG fault -it should pass private IP
> addresses (since they can't be routed over the internet) but doesn't,
> and you can't persuade it to either! If you have a network with a
> number of machines running samba it will stop them talking to the host.
> I've found no way around this since it doesn't offer to let it thro,
> just says it's blocked it! So ZA brilliant for stand alone machine,
> hopeless for networks -but Steve does say it's a personal firewall so I
> suppose you can't complain.

> Pete

> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> Before you buy.

Like I said pmfirewall is great for that first ipchains script to set up
everything, but from then on you are on your own. But you have a solid
firewall foundation while you get up to speed on ipchains, then you
build from there. You then tweak the firewall to your needs (eg stealth
all services not needed, accept ident only from ISP, maybe only allow
sendmail to send etc). With ZA you have to run it on all machines on a
network for it to protect all the machines on the network. Also I think
you have to reduce the local secutity setting to medium or low to pass
internal traffic or I think it is possible to, in advanced settings, to
specify bypass conditions. That said I was really primarily mentioning
ZA as a example of a interactive dynamically designed rule set (which is
good in regards to shielding users from firewall details and firestarter
seem to be the closest linux firewall software of this type). There is
also rumors of a bad memory leak in ZA. On small networks with NT ws as
a firewall I use the NT packet filtering to design a filtering ruleset
(but my first preference is of coarse linux).
 
 
 

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