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by **Rask** » Sun, 16 Apr 2000 04:00:00

#1. When I telnet into my linux server from my win9x or NT machine, more
often than not the text based menus for linuxconf and userconf are jumbled
into an unreadable/unusable mess. This of course makes managing the server a
real pain in the butt. Anyone have any ideas as to why this is and how to
solve it? I really don;t want to connect a monitor and such to the box just
to do occasional work.

Sometimes a I can see the menus just fine, and all is well and then I go in
to do some work, and boom, none of the lines line up, it like its not
reading carriage returns and what should start the next line is still on the
first line and so on. Like reading fixed length database records of 50
characters on a 72 character screen, only without the stairstep progression
down the page.

#2 I can't seem to get on the internet with my linux box. I can ping just
fine on my internal net work, but can't ping the outside world. Everything
is fine on the Windows boxes. I have a DSL connection, and for internet
testing, I used a legit Ip I have for the internet. No go. I really need to
understand what is wrong with it. Since I am new to Linux, I don't really
have a way of finding out what it is that is wrong with the setup. Can
someone guide me to some documents that makes sense in non-geek terms?
Point-by-point through the linuxconf network section would REALLY be nice.
Bear in mind, I am used to Windows NT for 99% of my internet work and the
terminology does not always, at least as far as I can see, translate to what
I think the linuxconf is asking.

I know what my IP is
I know my netmask
I know my gateway IP
I know DNS server IP's

I think I have inserted that info into the proper locations in linuxconf
but no go.

by **Stuart Her** » Mon, 17 Apr 2000 04:00:00

1. telnet doesn't translate the ansi characters very well (my experience - not
difinitive) but if you can use your web browser (it's netscape right? :) to
access the linxuconf tool on your server. Enable linuxconf network access and
and point your browser to http://serverip:98 it is a great tool, used in
conjuction with samba's web admin tool and vnc for x you really don't need a
monitor.
2. You didn't mention what proxy software you are using - i am assuming tha the
dsl is hooked up to your Win machine and you want to access through it. My first
questions is why not turn the linux box into a router/firewall? It is much more
stable and secure and offers much more services (ftp, http,telnet etc, etc) for
a lower cost in both hardware (use a low-end pentium) and software (free!)
check out:

Setup ip masq
http://www.linuxnewbie.org/nhf/intel/network/routing.html
configure ipchains
http://linux-firewall-tools.com/linux/firewall/index.html - to configure a
firewal script (thanks Rob - excellent page!)
http://yucs.org/doc/wu-ftpd-2.6.0/ - ftp how to

for secure connections use ssh
http://www.linuxnewbie.org/nhf/intel/security/ssh.html

> #1. When I telnet into my linux server from my win9x or NT machine, more
> often than not the text based menus for linuxconf and userconf are jumbled
> into an unreadable/unusable mess. This of course makes managing the server a
> real pain in the butt. Anyone have any ideas as to why this is and how to
> solve it? I really don;t want to connect a monitor and such to the box just
> to do occasional work.

> Sometimes a I can see the menus just fine, and all is well and then I go in
> to do some work, and boom, none of the lines line up, it like its not
> reading carriage returns and what should start the next line is still on the
> first line and so on. Like reading fixed length database records of 50
> characters on a 72 character screen, only without the stairstep progression
> down the page.

> #2 I can't seem to get on the internet with my linux box. I can ping just
> fine on my internal net work, but can't ping the outside world. Everything
> is fine on the Windows boxes. I have a DSL connection, and for internet
> testing, I used a legit Ip I have for the internet. No go. I really need to
> understand what is wrong with it. Since I am new to Linux, I don't really
> have a way of finding out what it is that is wrong with the setup. Can
> someone guide me to some documents that makes sense in non-geek terms?
> Point-by-point through the linuxconf network section would REALLY be nice.
> Bear in mind, I am used to Windows NT for 99% of my internet work and the
> terminology does not always, at least as far as I can see, translate to what
> I think the linuxconf is asking.

> I know what my IP is
> I know my netmask
> I know my gateway IP
> I know DNS server IP's

> I think I have inserted that info into the proper locations in linuxconf
> but no go.

by **Mike Reda** » Mon, 17 Apr 2000 04:00:00

> #1. When I telnet into my linux server from my win9x or NT machine, more
> often than not the text based menus for linuxconf and userconf are jumbled
> into an unreadable/unusable mess. This of course makes managing the server a
> real pain in the butt. Anyone have any ideas as to why this is and how to
> solve it? I really don;t want to connect a monitor and such to the box just
> to do occasional work.

> Sometimes a I can see the menus just fine, and all is well and then I go in
> to do some work, and boom, none of the lines line up, it like its not
> reading carriage returns and what should start the next line is still on the
> first line and so on. Like reading fixed length database records of 50
> characters on a 72 character screen, only without the stairstep progression
> down the page.

try out QVT/Term (seach download.com), it'll let you see all the menus
and everything fine.

Quote:
> #2 I can't seem to get on the internet with my linux box. I can ping just
> fine on my internal net work, but can't ping the outside world. Everything
> is fine on the Windows boxes. I have a DSL connection, and for internet
> testing, I used a legit Ip I have for the internet. No go. I really need to
> understand what is wrong with it. Since I am new to Linux, I don't really
> have a way of finding out what it is that is wrong with the setup. Can
> someone guide me to some documents that makes sense in non-geek terms?
> Point-by-point through the linuxconf network section would REALLY be nice.
> Bear in mind, I am used to Windows NT for 99% of my internet work and the
> terminology does not always, at least as far as I can see, translate to what
> I think the linuxconf is asking.

> I know what my IP is
> I know my netmask
> I know my gateway IP
> I know DNS server IP's

> I think I have inserted that info into the proper locations in linuxconf
> but no go.

sounds like your gateway isn't setup correctly in Linux(assuming you
connect your Linux box to a windows box, which is connected to the
internet.) But I'm not too sure what to say, since there isn't too much
infomation.

read this: http://howto.tucows.com/LDP/index.html

cheers,
Mike

by **Rask** » Mon, 17 Apr 2000 04:00:00

Quote:> 1. telnet doesn't translate the ansi characters very well (my experience -
not
> difinitive) but if you can use your web browser (it's netscape right? :)
to
> access the linxuconf tool on your server. Enable linuxconf network access
and
> and point your browser to http://serverip:98 it is a great tool, used in
> conjuction with samba's web admin tool and vnc for x you really don't need
a
> monitor.

Tried above - got "500 access denied: Check networking/linuxconf network
access ". SWAT doesn't work either. I am not sure why this is seeming to be
so difficult - but it is sure causing me fits. User account has rights to
use linuxconf and the IP of the workstation is in hosts.allow...

Quote:> 2. You didn't mention what proxy software you are using - i am assuming
tha the
> dsl is hooked up to your Win machine and you want to access through it. My
first
> questions is why not turn the linux box into a router/firewall? It is much
more
> stable and secure and offers much more services (ftp, http,telnet etc,
etc) for
> a lower cost in both hardware (use a low-end pentium) and software (free!)
> check out:

> Setup ip masq
> http://www.veryComputer.com/
> configure ipchains
> http://www.veryComputer.com/
> firewal script (thanks Rob - excellent page!)
> http://www.veryComputer.com/; - ftp how to

> for secure connections use ssh
> http://www.veryComputer.com/

For testing purposes, I am not running this machine behind a firewall. It is
not connected except to test, and there is nothing on it. I just need*to
connect to the internet and work. If you suspect my gateway is configured
wrong - how can I go about checking. My gateway is actually a machine at my
ISP - NOT my Cisco DSL modem. I suspect it is in bridging mode.

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> > #1. When I telnet into my linux server from my win9x or NT machine, more
> > often than not the text based menus for linuxconf and userconf are
jumbled
> > into an unreadable/unusable mess. This of course makes managing the
server a
> > real pain in the butt. Anyone have any ideas as to why this is and how
to
> > solve it? I really don;t want to connect a monitor and such to the box
just
> > to do occasional work.

> > Sometimes a I can see the menus just fine, and all is well and then I go
in
> > to do some work, and boom, none of the lines line up, it like its not
> > reading carriage returns and what should start the next line is still on
the
> > first line and so on. Like reading fixed length database records of 50
> > characters on a 72 character screen, only without the stairstep
progression
> > down the page.

> > #2 I can't seem to get on the internet with my linux box. I can ping
just
> > fine on my internal net work, but can't ping the outside world.
Everything
> > is fine on the Windows boxes. I have a DSL connection, and for internet
> > testing, I used a legit Ip I have for the internet. No go. I really need
to
> > understand what is wrong with it. Since I am new to Linux, I don't
really
> > have a way of finding out what it is that is wrong with the setup. Can
> > someone guide me to some documents that makes sense in non-geek terms?
> > Point-by-point through the linuxconf network section would REALLY be
nice.
> > Bear in mind, I am used to Windows NT for 99% of my internet work and
the
> > terminology does not always, at least as far as I can see, translate to
what
> > I think the linuxconf is asking.

> > I know what my IP is
> > I know my netmask
> > I know my gateway IP
> > I know DNS server IP's

> > I think I have inserted that info into the proper locations in linuxconf
> > but no go.

by **Tony** » Mon, 17 Apr 2000 04:00:00

If you are conected to DSL through your windows 98 computer you can use
connection sharing that comes with win 98 under internet tools on add software
setup. After you load it and configure it under interne connection wizard, just
make the 2 nic card gateway 98 machine use the static or obtain auto IP from ISP
facing DSL and the NIC card facing your internal network 192.168.0.1 all other
NIC cards use 198.168.0.2-254

If you are connected to DSL trough linux you can use ipchains/masquerading to do
the same thing as above.
I started with Win 98 and cutover to linux later after I knew more about it.

> #1. When I telnet into my linux server from my win9x or NT machine, more
> often than not the text based menus for linuxconf and userconf are jumbled
> into an unreadable/unusable mess. This of course makes managing the server a
> real pain in the butt. Anyone have any ideas as to why this is and how to
> solve it? I really don;t want to connect a monitor and such to the box just
> to do occasional work.

> Sometimes a I can see the menus just fine, and all is well and then I go in
> to do some work, and boom, none of the lines line up, it like its not
> reading carriage returns and what should start the next line is still on the
> first line and so on. Like reading fixed length database records of 50
> characters on a 72 character screen, only without the stairstep progression
> down the page.

> #2 I can't seem to get on the internet with my linux box. I can ping just
> fine on my internal net work, but can't ping the outside world. Everything
> is fine on the Windows boxes. I have a DSL connection, and for internet
> testing, I used a legit Ip I have for the internet. No go. I really need to
> understand what is wrong with it. Since I am new to Linux, I don't really
> have a way of finding out what it is that is wrong with the setup. Can
> someone guide me to some documents that makes sense in non-geek terms?
> Point-by-point through the linuxconf network section would REALLY be nice.
> Bear in mind, I am used to Windows NT for 99% of my internet work and the
> terminology does not always, at least as far as I can see, translate to what
> I think the linuxconf is asking.

> I know what my IP is
> I know my netmask
> I know my gateway IP
> I know DNS server IP's

> I think I have inserted that info into the proper locations in linuxconf
> but no go.

by **Stuart Her** » Mon, 17 Apr 2000 04:00:00

> > 1. telnet doesn't translate the ansi characters very well (my experience -
> not
> > difinitive) but if you can use your web browser (it's netscape right? :)
> to
> > access the linxuconf tool on your server. Enable linuxconf network access
> and
> > and point your browser to http://serverip:98 it is a great tool, used in
> > conjuction with samba's web admin tool and vnc for x you really don't need
> a
> > monitor.

> Tried above - got "500 access denied: Check networking/linuxconf network
> access ". SWAT doesn't work either. I am not sure why this is seeming to be
> so difficult - but it is sure causing me fits. User account has rights to
> use linuxconf and the IP of the workstation is in hosts.allow...

Have you tried connecting as root?

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Quote:
> > 2. You didn't mention what proxy software you are using - i am assuming
> tha the
> > dsl is hooked up to your Win machine and you want to access through it. My
> first
> > questions is why not turn the linux box into a router/firewall? It is much
> more
> > stable and secure and offers much more services (ftp, http,telnet etc,
> etc) for
> > a lower cost in both hardware (use a low-end pentium) and software (free!)
> > check out:

> > Setup ip masq
> > http://www.veryComputer.com/
> > configure ipchains
> > http://www.veryComputer.com/
> > firewal script (thanks Rob - excellent page!)
> > http://www.veryComputer.com/; - ftp how to

> > for secure connections use ssh
> > http://www.veryComputer.com/

> For testing purposes, I am not running this machine behind a firewall. It is
> not connected except to test, and there is nothing on it. I just need*to
> connect to the internet and work. If you suspect my gateway is configured
> wrong - how can I go about checking. My gateway is actually a machine at my
> ISP - NOT my Cisco DSL modem. I suspect it is in bridging mode.

hmm, i am not familiar with that kind of setup. You would be using the win
machine as the gateway for the linux box. If i understand correctly you have two
systems on your lan. Your win machine is connected via dsl and the linux box is
connected (directly or hub?) to the wintel box. You need two nics in the windows
machine - one for the dsl and the other for your local lan. Install a proxy
based software package (Sygate, Wingate)
I need more info on how you have this setup. How many nics in each box, hubs?
x-cable connection? I'm guessing here....need more info if i am to help.

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> > > #1. When I telnet into my linux server from my win9x or NT machine, more
> > > often than not the text based menus for linuxconf and userconf are
> jumbled
> > > into an unreadable/unusable mess. This of course makes managing the
> server a
> > > real pain in the butt. Anyone have any ideas as to why this is and how
> to
> > > solve it? I really don;t want to connect a monitor and such to the box
> just
> > > to do occasional work.

> > > Sometimes a I can see the menus just fine, and all is well and then I go
> in
> > > to do some work, and boom, none of the lines line up, it like its not
> > > reading carriage returns and what should start the next line is still on
> the
> > > first line and so on. Like reading fixed length database records of 50
> > > characters on a 72 character screen, only without the stairstep
> progression
> > > down the page.

> > > #2 I can't seem to get on the internet with my linux box. I can ping
> just
> > > fine on my internal net work, but can't ping the outside world.
> Everything
> > > is fine on the Windows boxes. I have a DSL connection, and for internet
> > > testing, I used a legit Ip I have for the internet. No go. I really need
> to
> > > understand what is wrong with it. Since I am new to Linux, I don't
> really
> > > have a way of finding out what it is that is wrong with the setup. Can
> > > someone guide me to some documents that makes sense in non-geek terms?
> > > Point-by-point through the linuxconf network section would REALLY be
> nice.
> > > Bear in mind, I am used to Windows NT for 99% of my internet work and
> the
> > > terminology does not always, at least as far as I can see, translate to
> what
> > > I think the linuxconf is asking.

> > > I know what my IP is
> > > I know my netmask
> > > I know my gateway IP
> > > I know DNS server IP's

> > > I think I have inserted that info into the proper locations in linuxconf
> > > but no go.

by **Rask** » Mon, 17 Apr 2000 04:00:00

I got the SWAT working - seems i missed the part about setting it up to
work - DOH!

On the networking.

The DSL has a 5 port hub* off of it. One cable goes to the firewall,
and behind that sits the NT newtwork. Another cable goes to the linux
machine. No firewall ahead of it. This is only a test machine - I just need
to figure out why I can't see the interenet with what should be a very
simple setup. Again, the linux machine basically plugs right into the DSL
modem, no firewall, nothing between it and the internet - wide open.

I have a pool of legit IP's from my ISP and this machine has one static. I
know the NIC works, the TCP/IP stack is good and working, I just can't
see/ping the internet or my gateway. I suspect a route issue, but I don't
know enough about Linux tools to work through it yet.

The same scenario with a Windows box works like a champ so it has to be
something in the network config tht I am not seeing, understanding or
something.

by **Stuart Her** » Tue, 18 Apr 2000 04:00:00

route will give you the route table on the linux box
By saying the nic and tcp/ip stack are in working order i assume that if you run
ifconfig it shows the nic as active with the proper ip and subnet..
given that the box is directly connected to the hub > modem that should be it. I
am beginning to see your frustration :)
I can't think of anything else > sorry :(

> I got the SWAT working - seems i missed the part about setting it up to
> work - DOH!

> On the networking.

> The DSL has a 5 port hub* off of it. One cable goes to the firewall,
> and behind that sits the NT newtwork. Another cable goes to the linux
> machine. No firewall ahead of it. This is only a test machine - I just need
> to figure out why I can't see the interenet with what should be a very
> simple setup. Again, the linux machine basically plugs right into the DSL
> modem, no firewall, nothing between it and the internet - wide open.

> I have a pool of legit IP's from my ISP and this machine has one static. I
> know the NIC works, the TCP/IP stack is good and working, I just can't
> see/ping the internet or my gateway. I suspect a route issue, but I don't
> know enough about Linux tools to work through it yet.

> The same scenario with a Windows box works like a champ so it has to be
> something in the network config tht I am not seeing, understanding or
> something.

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