Very Computer

-=> Sidney Lambe wrote to Gypsy BBS <=-

 SL> On comp.os.linux.networking, James Bradley

 > I did have a USB-ethernet adapter working with Slack 11. I
 > think it's an SMC unit, and it used the Tulip drivers run from
 > the kernel. I don't recall if there is module loading issues.

 SL> Thanks. Why is the formatting of your post here so screwed up?

Looks fine to me. <G+D>

 SL> It's a reply to my post but there is no References header.

Because I'm *good*? <R f/Cover>

 SL> Otherwise I'd trim this down like it should be.

I think what you are accustom to seeing and not seeing from my post, is
because this message comes to me through a POTS BBS, and is gated into the
NG/Usenet/(whatever the kids are calling it these days). I use an ANSI text
Offline Mail Reader (OLMR) as you might use Thunderbird/(Whatever the kids
use these days ;-).

Is there a technical problem in the way these posts are presented? I could
bring it up to the Sysop (System Operator |-) who I call for mail.

 [...]
 > ... James ___ MultiMail/Linux v0.49
 >

 SL> --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
 SL>  * Origin: Calgary Organization CDN Fidonet-Internet Gateway
 SL> (1:342/77.10)

... "Toto, I don't think we're in DOS anymore..."
___ MultiMail/Linux v0.49

On comp.os.linux.networking, James Bradley

It' called the "Usenet". It's been called that since before the
Internet.

Quote:> I use an ANSI text Offline Mail Reader (OLMR)
> as you might use Thunderbird/(Whatever the kids use these days
> ;-).

I am almost 60 and I use a console newsreader called slrn. I don't
even have the X-Window system booted at the moment. I run Linux
from the commandline.

Your newsreader STINKS. It is, literally, a piece of junk. I am
not kidding.

Quote:> Is there a technical problem in the way these posts are
> presented? I could bring it up to the Sysop (System Operator
> |-) who I call for mail.

I see from the BROKEN References header that you are coming
through fidonet. Strange.

I've tried BBSes a few times and thought they were lame.

Like AOL when it was still in the test tube. I don't
need a Big Daddy Sysadmin breathing over my shoulder.

I _AM_ a Big Daddy Sysadmin :-)

Quote:

>  [...]

> > ... James ___ MultiMail/Linux v0.49

>  SL> --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05 * Origin: Calgary Organization
>  SL> CDN Fidonet-Internet Gateway (1:342/77.10)

> ... "Toto, I don't think we're in DOS anymore..." ___
> MultiMail/Linux v0.49

You sure _seem_ to be in DOSland. Your visible tools
are primitive as hell. The Usenet has been around since
what, 79? BBSs and Fidonet are _precursors_ of the Usenet.
Since the beginning it has carried much of their traffic.

Sid

-=> Sidney Lambe wrote to Gypsy BBS <=-

 SL> On comp.os.linux.networking, James Bradley
 > -=> Sidney Lambe wrote to Gypsy BBS <=-

 >  SL> On comp.os.linux.networking, James Bradley

 >
[...]
 >  SL> Thanks. Why is the formatting of your post here so screwed
 > ...
 >  SL> Otherwise I'd trim this down like it should be.
 >
 > I think what you are accustom to seeing and not seeing from my
 > post, is because this message comes to me through a POTS BBS.

 SL> It' called the "Usenet". It's been called that since before the
 SL> Internet.

 > I use an ANSI text Offline Mail Reader (OLMR)

 SL> I am almost 60 and I use a console newsreader called slrn. I don't
 SL> even have the X-Window system booted at the moment. I run Linux
 SL> from the commandline.

 SL> Your newsreader STINKS. It is, literally, a piece of junk. I am
 SL> not kidding.

Everybody has an opinion.

 > Is there a technical problem in the way these posts are
 > presented? I could bring it up to the Sysop (System Operator
 > |-) who I call for mail.

 SL> I see from the BROKEN References header that you are coming
 SL> through fidonet. Strange.

 SL> I've tried BBSes a few times and thought they were lame.

 SL> Like AOL when it was still in the test tube. I don't
 SL> need a Big Daddy Sysadmin breathing over my shoulder.

 SL> I _AM_ a Big Daddy Sysadmin :-)

How nice for you. <EG>

...
 > ... "Toto, I don't think we're in DOS anymore..." ___
 > MultiMail/Linux v0.49

 SL> You sure _seem_ to be in DOSland. Your visible tools
 SL> are primitive as hell. The Usenet has been around since
 SL> what, 79? BBSs and Fidonet are _precursors_ of the Usenet.
 SL> Since the beginning it has carried much of their traffic.

Ya... I'm stuck calling a DOS based BBS. Is that my *fault?* Before the
I-net went public, there was only BBSes for us mere mortals. Now, to
exchange mail, much of fido uses TCP/IP. Is that the thrust of your angst
toward us lowly citizens? As far as my "visible tools", I doubt they could
shake a stick at yours if you can see my terminal from there.

Personally, I find it cumbersome with the propensity to quote *everything*,
so I try to trim it as much as I find pertinent to the evolution of the
topic. Now that this has reached the "My reader can beat up your reader,"
and I see no constructive suggestions, I would like to move on.

 SL> Sid

 SL> --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
 SL>  * Origin: Calgary Organization CDN Fidonet-Internet Gateway
 SL> (1:342/77.10)

... Necessity is a *mother* of an invention.
___ MultiMail/Linux v0.49

It is not an "opinion", it is a verifiable fact.

This post of yours is a reply to mine, yet it has no References
header, just for starters.

That header is _required_ by the NNTP, the NNT Protocol. Every
other reply on the Usenet has one. This post of mine will have
one. Automatically.

Your "newsreader" isn't even a newsreader.

There is no excuse for this that I can see. Real Linux is free
and so are a number of excellent newsreaders that are also free.
There are also a number of free newsservers around. I am using
one of them.

alt.free.newsservers
news.software.readers

[delete]

Sid

-=> Sidney Lambe wrote to Gypsy BBS <=-

 > -=> Sidney Lambe wrote to Gypsy BBS <=-

 >  SL> On comp.os.linux.networking, James Bradley

 > > -=> Sidney Lambe wrote to Gypsy BBS <=-

 > >  SL> On comp.os.linux.networking, James Bradley

 > >
 > [...] this message comes to me through a POTS BBS.
 > ...
 >  SL> Your newsreader STINKS. It is, literally, a piece of junk. I am
 >  SL> not kidding.
 >
 > Everybody has an opinion.

 SL> It is not an "opinion", it is a verifiable fact.

 SL> This post of yours is a reply to mine, yet it has no References
 SL> header, just for starters.

 SL> That header is _required_ by the NNTP, the NNT Protocol. Every
 SL> other reply on the Usenet has one. This post of mine will have
 SL> one. Automatically.

 SL> Your "newsreader" isn't even a newsreader.

That much I can agree upon. As I have informed you, it is an ANSI based
OLMR. I'll restate the problem. This post was delivered to me through a
gateway to a DU BBS. I do my edits, then send the results to the BBS.

I will bring up this NNTP protocol to the sysop. Could you steer us
to a URL? If there is a simple error of omission, I'm sure it could be
rectified.

 SL> There is no excuse for this that I can see. Real Linux is free
 SL> and so are a number of excellent newsreaders that are also free.
 SL> There are also a number of free newsservers around. I am using
 SL> one of them.

Then it is your shortsightedness that is the issue. If you'd like, we can
take this to email?

gbbsg (in) shaw.ca <James Bradley>

Replace the obvious, and that should bring the problem to the attention of
my provider at the same time.

 SL> alt.free.newsservers
 SL> news.software.readers

Can't use 'em AFAIK, but thanks no less! With all seriousness, I have to
work with what I have. I will guarantee I will do what I can to satisfy any
requirements, but there is nothing I can do directly with his
configuration. Maybe I can include a static header with my posts, but I
doubt it could satiate the formatting requirements if there are IP
variables involved.

 SL> [delete]

 SL> Sid

 SL> --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
 SL>  * Origin: Calgary Organization CDN Fidonet-Internet Gateway
 SL> (1:342/77.10)

... James
___ MultiMail/Linux v0.49

Hi Sidney,

Thursday December 02 2010, Sidney Lambe writes to Gypsy BBS:

 > Your "newsreader" isn't even a newsreader.

So what!

James uses my Board for his Usenet reading. He might have to tweak his reader
a bit, but thats ok too.

 > -+- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
 >  + Origin: Calgary Organization CDN Fidonet-Internet Gateway
 > (1:342/77.10)

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Quote:

> Thursday December 02 2010, Sidney Lambe writes to Gypsy BBS:

> > Your "newsreader" isn't even a newsreader.

> So what!

> James uses my Board for his Usenet reading. He might have to tweak his reader
> a bit, but thats ok too.

Don't worry about what ''Sid'' thinks; he is a well-known troll in the
various linux newsgroups.

--keith

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see X- headers for PGP signature information

Hi Sidney,

02 Dec 10, Sidney Lambe writes to Gypsy BBS:

 > That header is _required_ by the NNTP, the NNT Protocol.
 > Every other reply on the Usenet has one. This post of mine
 > will have one. Automatically.

BTW.. (by the way)

The headers are fine, the TIME to!

====== Source Message properties:
Path:
core-iad-easynews!news-in-02-iad.easynews.com!news.easynews.com!s02-b50.iad!npe
ersf01.iad.highwinds-media.com!npeer02.iad.highwinds-media.com!news.highwinds-m
edia.com!feed-me.highwinds-media.com!post01.iad.highwinds-media.com!newsfe17.ia
d.POSTED!00000000!not-for-mail
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.networking

Subject: BT home network 1200

X-Comment-To: Sidney Lambe
X-MailConverter: SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
Mime-version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
User-Agent: VSoup v1.2.9.47Beta [95/NT]
Lines: 75
NNTP-Posting-Host: 70.72.91.139

X-Trace: newsfe17.iad 1291585540 70.72.91.139 (Sun, 05 Dec 2010 21:45:40 UTC)
NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 05 Dec 2010 21:45:40 UTC
Date: Sat, 04 Dec 2010 14:41:02 MST
Xref: core-iad-easynews comp.os.linux.networking:65823
X-Received-Date: Sun, 05 Dec 2010 21:45:44 UTC (s02-b50.iad)

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Hi Keith,

06 Dec 10, Keith Keller writes to Gypsy BBS:

 > Don't worry about what ''Sid'' thinks; he is a well-known
 > troll in the various linux newsgroups.

Ah..

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 gu> 02 Dec 10, Sidney Lambe writes to Gypsy BBS:

 > That header is _required_ by the NNTP, the NNT Protocol.

 gu> BTW.. (by the way)

 gu> The headers are fine, the TIME to!

 gu> ====== Source Message properties:
 gu> Path:
 gu> core-iad-easynews!news-in-02-
 gu> ...
 gu> --
 gu> K Klement

 gu> Enhance your marketing at   http://www.gypsy-designs.com

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 gu> ... Everything in moderation...except moderation.
 gu> --- Squish/386 v1.11
 gu>  * Origin:   Calgary Organization CDN Fidonet-Internet
 gu> Gateway   (Net 1:342/77)

If that's the case, can I officially tell Sid to stuff it? <G+D>
(Grin and Duck B-)

Seriously, is Multimail stripping headers? I always thought they were
inserted as the post goes past your gateway. I've been meaning to try
another OLMR, or I could take a magnifying glass to Multimail's
configuration. I know there is a section for soupgate that I have just
ignored so far.

... "A drop of honey gathers more flies than a watched pot." -Van, Billy
___ MultiMail/Linux v0.49

Hi James,

Monday December 06 2010, James Bradley writes to gufus:

 > If that's the case, can I officially tell Sid to stuff it?
 > <G+D> (Grin and Duck B-)

<grin>

 > Seriously, is Multimail stripping headers? I always thought
 > they were inserted as the post goes past your gateway. I've

No, Multimal is not stripping headers. SoupGate inserts them, your messages
are fine from what I can see.

-- K Klement

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Hi Keith,

Monday December 06 2010, Keith Keller writes to Gypsy BBS:

 >>
 >> Thursday December 02 2010, Sidney Lambe writes to Gypsy
 >> BBS: Your "newsreader" isn't even a newsreader. So
 >> what! James uses my Board for his Usenet reading. He might
 >> have to tweak his reader a bit, but thats ok too.

 > Don't worry about what ''Sid'' thinks; he is a well-known
 > troll in the various linux newsgroups.

'k

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The posting by gufus that you're replying to lacks a References:
header pointing out the posting /he/ was replying to.
That's /not/ fine; it breaks threading.

As for what software is to blame, I have no idea. It's more a question
for news.software.readers.

/Jorgen

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Hi Jorgen,

07 Dec 10, Jorgen Grahn writes to Gypsy BBS:

 >> No, Multimal is not stripping headers. SoupGate inserts
 >> them, your messages are fine from what I can see.

 > The posting by gufus that you're replying to lacks a
 > References: header pointing out the posting /he/ was
 > replying to. That's /not/ fine; it breaks threading.

Correct..

 > -+- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
 >  + Origin: Calgary Organization CDN Fidonet-Internet Gateway
 > (1:342/77.10)

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