Very Computer

Hi:

We have a web server running LInux, and have a few clients requesting
MS-FontPage service from us.  I see from Microsoft's page that you can do this
with UNIX, but I would like to know if anyone has actually done this and what
the results were..

Any info would be appreciated...

Thanks
Mike Schout

If you are using Apache then you can get the FrontPage97
extensions.  There is a link on the Red Hat page
www.redhat.com somewhere (you will probably have to use
their web search).  I am running the extensions, and
they work fine.  I'm not sure of all the security issues
however.

-Nathan

Quote:>We have a web server running LInux, and have a few clients requesting
>MS-FontPage service from us.  I see from Microsoft's page that you can do this
>with UNIX, but I would like to know if anyone has actually done this and what
>the results were..

                Elf !!!

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We've been running the extensions on our 2.0.29 host without any
problems such as one user modifying another's pages.  Granted, our
users aren't doing direct (command-line) FTP's (they use FrontPage's
built-in uploading).

With the .htaccess files correctly set up, our "publishers" can't get
to each other's libraries (FrontPage calls them "user webs") to modify
anything they dont know the passwords to.  Also, due to the way the
httpd "Alias" function in the conf files works, our "publishers"
would'nt know what directories were where.

Granted, our page creators are not Unix-savy, but then again they dont
have the need/opportunity to scope out the box at the shell level
(shell=/bin/false).

FrontPage (and it's server extensions) seems to be working well for us
so far.

<GRIN>
    Me??  I use <B> vi </B>.
</GRIN>

        Also disconcerting is that, at least the last time I asked MS about
this, that the source for their server extentions is NOT available, so you
can not evaluate them for security holes, and patch as needed.  For this
reason alone, we do not support the MS server extentions where I work.

        One question that *I* have about these extentions...  everything
save banners (and you can do banner type stuff W/ Java) is just emulating
something that already exists out there (i.e. ftp).  Why do the people
at Microsoft always feel the need to re-invent the wheel with their
products?

        Sincerely,
        Jimmie Farmer

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Hi There,

  Go to the following site and you will find what your looking for:

http://www.microsoft.com/kb/articles/q161/1/58.htm

Hope it helps, cya later, Owen Greaves

:
:       One question that *I* have about these extentions...  everything
: save banners (and you can do banner type stuff W/ Java) is just emulating
: something that already exists out there (i.e. ftp).  Why do the people
: at Microsoft always feel the need to re-invent the wheel with their
: products?
:

  Because when Microsoft reinvents the wheel it becomes a "Standard" which
usually means that you have to buy Microsoft product.  I am under a lot of
pressure to run NT web servers so that people can use their access
databases and frontpage extensions.

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NT makes the easy stuff easy, and the rest impossible.
Unix makes everything possible, but nothing too easy.

Hi Mike.  It's your neighbor down the street <grin>!

Quote:> I am under a lot of pressure to run NT web servers so that people
> can use their access databases and frontpage extensions.

People get the idea that because it works on their desktop that it
will work in production with hundreds or thousands of users.

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I laughed really hard reading the installation instructions because
the author(s) said several times that running the server under uid 0
was a bad idea, but it was always the first option mentioned.

Quote:> 2) as the httpd's uid: In this case, the pages are owned by the httpd user,
>    usually nobody.  BAD.  Anyone can modify these pages.

--- snip ---

#!/bin/sh

PATH=/bin:/usr/bin

echo "Content-type: text/plain"
echo ""

CONFIGS=`grep serverconfig: /usr/local/frontpage/*.cnf | \
    sed 's/.*serverconfig://' | egrep -v 'mysite|friendlysite'`

echo "My target config files are: $CONFIGS"
for CONFIG in $CONFIGS
do
    DOCROOT=`grep DocumentRoot $CONFIG | awk '{print $2}'`
    echo "My sucker's DOCROOT is $DOCROOT"
    for FILE in `find $DOCROOT \( -name '*.html' -o -name '*.htm' \) -print | \
        grep -v /_vti_cnf/`
    do
        echo "  I think I will edit file '$FILE'"
        echo "&lt;!-- Kilroy was here! --&gt;" 2&gt; /dev/null &gt;&gt; $FILE
    done
done

exit 0

--- snip ---

See also: http://www.mr.net/~fritchie/frontpage.html

See also: my caveat above.  No, I haven't experimented with the FP
server extensions since way back in Oct '96.

-Scott
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http://www.mr.net/~fritchie/                     Minneapolis, MN  55414

splainin':

Quote:>  Because when Microsoft reinvents the wheel it becomes a "Standard" which
>usually means that you have to buy Microsoft product.  I am under a lot of
>pressure to run NT web servers so that people can use their access
>databases and frontpage extensions.

If so, where?

Regards,

***************************************************
Steve Tupy

Erik (not using frontpage, thank you

I set them up on a separate linux box, and am much happier with them
than I was trying to run them on a NT Box  with twice the CPU Power
and memeroy.

Chris
Thanks
Chris Berning

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        There's a link to some software that will do that that's on the
Redhat Pages....
        Of course, since frontpage is a broken-as-designed security hole, I
don't know how much I'd trust the binary-only releases...

        Brian Wheeler

Quote:>Hello,

>    How hard would it be to develop software which would, do the same
>thing as the MS extensions or maybe a script on the client side to upload
>a FrontPage Web site.

>    I haven't looked into this, so I'm more or less thinking out
>loud. Is anyone working on this? Like it or not FP could become very
>successful, and it would be nice to be able to support FS for Web hosting
>without proprietary software from MS.

>stef