Linux on a floppy-only 286...

Linux on a floppy-only 286...

Post by Brian Kloc » Thu, 24 Apr 1997 04:00:00



I work for a large human services organization.  We currently run on a
Novell 3.12 100-user network. All of the client PC' s are running
Win'95. Our agency is growing and I have managed to convince the
management to let me implement Linux as a Web/Email server.  It is
working great, and I have them convinced that Samba can handle file and
print services as well ( eventually eliminating Novell and fighting off
the temptation of others to use NT).   We are using a bunch of outdated
286 machines to serve as print servers for all of our printers.  I would
like to continue using these machines, except convert them to Linux and
have them boot from floppy.  This really isn't a diskless system...  Can
anybody give me some info on how to set this up???

I assume that this is possible via the root file system via NFS.  Can I
do this with a kernel and some configurations on a floppy.  To further
complicate the floppy drives are only 720K.

Thank You
Brian Klock
CSC, Inc.

 
 
 

Linux on a floppy-only 286...

Post by Adam Guasch-Melend » Thu, 24 Apr 1997 04:00:00


: the temptation of others to use NT).   We are using a bunch of outdated
: 286 machines to serve as print servers for all of our printers.  I would
: like to continue using these machines, except convert them to Linux and
: have them boot from floppy.  This really isn't a diskless system...  Can
: anybody give me some info on how to set this up???

Linux won't run on a 286. There is work going on to produce a version that
will, but it's nowhere near complete.

 
 
 

Linux on a floppy-only 286...

Post by Kevin C. Weissm » Thu, 24 Apr 1997 04:00:00



: : the temptation of others to use NT).   We are using a bunch of outdated
: : 286 machines to serve as print servers for all of our printers.  I would
: : like to continue using these machines, except convert them to Linux and
: : have them boot from floppy.  This really isn't a diskless system...  Can
: : anybody give me some info on how to set this up???

: Linux won't run on a 286. There is work going on to produce a version that
: will, but it's nowhere near complete.

Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I think Minix will run on a 286.
Minix was before linux.
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Linux on a floppy-only 286...

Post by Matt Kirsc » Thu, 24 Apr 1997 04:00:00



> I work for a large human services organization.  We currently run on a
> Novell 3.12 100-user network. All of the client PC' s are running
> Win'95. Our agency is growing and I have managed to convince the
> management to let me implement Linux as a Web/Email server.  It is
> working great, and I have them convinced that Samba can handle file and
> print services as well ( eventually eliminating Novell and fighting off
> the temptation of others to use NT).   We are using a bunch of outdated
> 286 machines to serve as print servers for all of our printers.  I would
> like to continue using these machines, except convert them to Linux and
> have them boot from floppy.  This really isn't a diskless system...  Can
> anybody give me some info on how to set this up???

Linux is a 32-bit OS, and a 286 is a 16-bit processor.
I think you can do the math and come up with your own conclusion...

Running Linux on a 286 isn't a disk issue, it's a processor issue.
You simply cannot run Linux on a 286. Perhaps you would like to
give Minix a try.

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"If you don't have time to read the FAQ, I don't have time to read it to
you."

 
 
 

Linux on a floppy-only 286...

Post by Pat Thoyt » Fri, 25 Apr 1997 04:00:00





> >Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I think Minix will run on a 286.
> >Minix was before linux.

> Yes but they are not related.

I think I'll have to disagree. They are both *nix's. They both run on
Intel architecture. Minix is certainly the ancestor to Linux. That's
definatley related. Minix will quite likely also do what the original
poster was after, too.

On the other hand, you have to get Minix and it's not free. It's a 16
bit *nix so many programs may be a real problem to get running. Also
it's probably better to set up 286's with DOS to be printservers. On the
otherhand, it won't be nearly as much fun!

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Linux on a floppy-only 286...

Post by Leslie Mikese » Fri, 25 Apr 1997 04:00:00



Quote:>I work for a large human services organization.  We currently run on a
>Novell 3.12 100-user network. All of the client PC' s are running
>Win'95. Our agency is growing and I have managed to convince the
>management to let me implement Linux as a Web/Email server.  It is
>working great, and I have them convinced that Samba can handle file and
>print services as well ( eventually eliminating Novell and fighting off
>the temptation of others to use NT).   We are using a bunch of outdated
>286 machines to serve as print servers for all of our printers.  I would
>like to continue using these machines, except convert them to Linux and
>have them boot from floppy.  This really isn't a diskless system...  Can
>anybody give me some info on how to set this up???

You can't run Linux on a 286, and you'd be better off getting printers
with network connections like the HP jetdirect cards or the external
boxes that have some parallel/serial ports.  They probably will pay
for themselves in a year or two from the power savings compared to
a PC.

An alternative that might work is to connect the printer to a Win95
PC and send remote jobs via smbclient.  (Depends on how the users
feel about leaving the PC's on and sharing access...).

However, there is a program called pprd that you can probably find
on the simtel mirrors (if you can't I'll dig up the address) that
runs under DOS and only needs a packet driver to emulate either
lpd or HP's port 9100 protocol.

Les Mikesell

 
 
 

Linux on a floppy-only 286...

Post by Gary O. Johnso » Fri, 25 Apr 1997 04:00:00



> the temptation of others to use NT).   We are using a bunch of outdated
> 286 machines to serve as print servers for all of our printers.  I would
> like to continue using these machines, except convert them to Linux and

Why not just leave them as Novell TCP/IP machines and install a DOS LPR
printer program.  I have been successful with that combination before.

Check your linux doc.  You will find the minimum HW is a 386.

Good Luck!

 
 
 

Linux on a floppy-only 286...

Post by Bryan Cha » Sun, 27 Apr 1997 04:00:00



> On the other hand, you have to get Minix and it's not free. It's a 16

Minix isn't free? I thought there was an FTP site where I could download
the source to the entire Minix system.

Bryan Chan______________________________________________________________


              http://www-ug.eecg.toronto.edu/~chanb/

 
 
 

Linux on a floppy-only 286...

Post by William McBri » Sun, 27 Apr 1997 04:00:00


: On the other hand, you have to get Minix and it's not free.

It is free, now, though only for "educational" or "research" use.

: It's a 16 bit *nix

On a 286 or 8086, yes, but Minix 2.0.0 can work in 32-bit mode on a 386+.

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Linux on a floppy-only 286...

Post by Andrew Cos » Mon, 28 Apr 1997 04:00:00




>> On the other hand, you have to get Minix and it's not free. It's a 16
>Minix isn't free? I thought there was an FTP site where I could download
>the source to the entire Minix system.

It's copyrighted, but free.

See http://www.cs.vu.nl/~ast/minix.html

I have Minix-1.7.4 running on an i286 based box here,
and got it free (and legally) from that site.

 
 
 

Linux on a floppy-only 286...

Post by Altman » Tue, 29 Apr 1997 04:00:00




> > the temptation of others to use NT).   We are using a bunch of outdated
> > 286 machines to serve as print servers for all of our printers.  I would
> > like to continue using these machines, except convert them to Linux and

> Why not just leave them as Novell TCP/IP machines and install a DOS LPR
> printer program.  I have been successful with that combination before.

> Check your linux doc.  You will find the minimum HW is a 386.

> Good Luck!

There have been a XENIX-286 from SCO. Times before i put
a small UNIX within a 20MByte HD. Keep in mind that a
print server needs serveral space for the temp files!!!!!

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1. Connecting a 286 to my Linux box.

Ok, here's the scenario:
I have a 486DX4-100 running Linux 2.0.27, and I also have a 286, how would
I connect the 286 to the Linux box so that I can use it as a terminal
without having to install Linux on to it? My friend said try a null modem
cable, but from what I hear, they can't be connected over long distances
(i.e. across a house). Is it possible to install 9600 bps internal modems
into each computer and then connect them with standard RJ-11 wiring? I
thought of that, but then I also thought where would the wires get power
from (the necessary 48 volts?) unless the computer's modems powered the
wire. And I don't want to have to go and spend lot's of money on an
Ethernet card - unless of course that is the only way to connect the two,
if so, then how would I do it?

Assuming I that I don't install Linux on the 286, what software should I
use to access  the 486? My friend told me to use this program called
Kermit. And how would I setup Linux to allow the 286 to login?

BTW, I don't own a 286 yet, but I plan on buying one very soon, (next week
or so).
And if you wanna know why I want to do this, it's because it would be cool
and convenient for me to be able to access my Linux box (which is in the
basement) from my bedroom.

Thanx for any help that you can give.
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