Windows 98 networking 400% FASTER than linux!

Windows 98 networking 400% FASTER than linux!

Post by Tanvir Hassa » Sun, 05 Mar 2000 04:00:00



Hi Guys,

I have a cable modem hooked up to my NE2000 compatible ISA card.  In Windows
98 my fastest throughput is 8140Kbps and my average is about 2000Kbps.  In
linux my fastest throughput is 2000Kbps and my average is 500Kbps.  I have
done the Win98 TCP RWin registry fix.  Is there a need for a similar fix for
Linux?  Why does Linux networking suck so bad?

 
 
 

Windows 98 networking 400% FASTER than linux!

Post by Rod Roa » Sun, 05 Mar 2000 04:00:00



>I have a cable modem hooked up to my NE2000 compatible ISA card.  In Windows
>98 my fastest throughput is 8140Kbps and my average is about 2000Kbps.  In
>linux my fastest throughput is 2000Kbps and my average is 500Kbps.  I have
>done the Win98 TCP RWin registry fix.  Is there a need for a similar fix for
>Linux?  Why does Linux networking suck so bad?

You seem to be saying that your measurements with Linux, including the
slower ones, are about 1/4 of the corresponding ones under Windows.
However since you're also saying your Linux box is capable of
2Mbits/sec, this does not compute.

Apart from that, nobody can help you without a great deal more
information.

-- Rod
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Windows 98 networking 400% FASTER than linux!

Post by Bill Unr » Sun, 05 Mar 2000 04:00:00




]>
]>I have a cable modem hooked up to my NE2000 compatible ISA card.  In Windows
]>98 my fastest throughput is 8140Kbps and my average is about 2000Kbps.  In
]>linux my fastest throughput is 2000Kbps and my average is 500Kbps.  I have
]>done the Win98 TCP RWin registry fix.  Is there a need for a similar fix for
]>Linux?  Why does Linux networking suck so bad?

You probably are using that bastardisation pppoe and are using the
drivers supplied by your isp.

 
 
 

Windows 98 networking 400% FASTER than linux!

Post by Tanvir Hassa » Mon, 06 Mar 2000 04:00:00


Hmmm...Let me clarify.  What I was saying is that my performance on Windows
is 400% faster than my performance on Linux.  Note that both my AVERAGE
performance and my PEAK performance numbers for Windows are 400% FASTER than
my AVERAGE and PEAK numbers on Linux, which leads me to conclude that for
some reason my RH6.1 Linux is 4 times slower than Windows.

Also, RE: ppoe and custom drivers, I just changed my TCP/IP configuration
and ran a registry hack to change my TCP RWin default size.  I have not
installed my cable modem software yet.  So this is as much apples to apples
networking comparison as I can get.

Anyone have suggestions as to how I can get my Linux to perform better?



> >I have a cable modem hooked up to my NE2000 compatible ISA card.  In
Windows
> >98 my fastest throughput is 8140Kbps and my average is about 2000Kbps.
In
> >linux my fastest throughput is 2000Kbps and my average is 500Kbps.  I
have
> >done the Win98 TCP RWin registry fix.  Is there a need for a similar fix
for
> >Linux?  Why does Linux networking suck so bad?

> You seem to be saying that your measurements with Linux, including the
> slower ones, are about 1/4 of the corresponding ones under Windows.
> However since you're also saying your Linux box is capable of
> 2Mbits/sec, this does not compute.

> Apart from that, nobody can help you without a great deal more
> information.

> -- Rod
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> Sunset Systems                           Preconfigured Linux Computers
> http://www.sunsetsystems.com/                      and Custom Software
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------

 
 
 

Windows 98 networking 400% FASTER than linux!

Post by Mark Lan » Mon, 06 Mar 2000 04:00:00


Are you sure both those measurements are in Kbps? I can't see linux running
slower than Win98 but what I can see though is one of those measurements
being in Kbytes per second and the other being in Kbits per second.


> Hmmm...Let me clarify.  What I was saying is that my performance on
Windows
> is 400% faster than my performance on Linux.  Note that both my AVERAGE
> performance and my PEAK performance numbers for Windows are 400% FASTER
than
> my AVERAGE and PEAK numbers on Linux, which leads me to conclude that for
> some reason my RH6.1 Linux is 4 times slower than Windows.

> Also, RE: ppoe and custom drivers, I just changed my TCP/IP configuration
> and ran a registry hack to change my TCP RWin default size.  I have not
> installed my cable modem software yet.  So this is as much apples to
apples
> networking comparison as I can get.

> Anyone have suggestions as to how I can get my Linux to perform better?




> > >I have a cable modem hooked up to my NE2000 compatible ISA card.  In
> Windows
> > >98 my fastest throughput is 8140Kbps and my average is about 2000Kbps.
> In
> > >linux my fastest throughput is 2000Kbps and my average is 500Kbps.  I
> have
> > >done the Win98 TCP RWin registry fix.  Is there a need for a similar
fix
> for
> > >Linux?  Why does Linux networking suck so bad?

> > You seem to be saying that your measurements with Linux, including the
> > slower ones, are about 1/4 of the corresponding ones under Windows.
> > However since you're also saying your Linux box is capable of
> > 2Mbits/sec, this does not compute.

> > Apart from that, nobody can help you without a great deal more
> > information.

> > -- Rod
> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> > Sunset Systems                           Preconfigured Linux Computers
> > http://www.sunsetsystems.com/                      and Custom Software
> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------

 
 
 

Windows 98 networking 400% FASTER than linux!

Post by Tanvir Hassa » Mon, 06 Mar 2000 04:00:00


Yup, I am sure the measurements are correct because I used a web page that
supposedly measures your approximate speed, so there was NO chance of
mistaking Kbytes/sec vs Kbits/sec.  I used MSIE on Windoze and Netscape on
Linux.


> Are you sure both those measurements are in Kbps? I can't see linux
running
> slower than Win98 but what I can see though is one of those measurements
> being in Kbytes per second and the other being in Kbits per second.



> > Hmmm...Let me clarify.  What I was saying is that my performance on
> Windows
> > is 400% faster than my performance on Linux.  Note that both my AVERAGE
> > performance and my PEAK performance numbers for Windows are 400% FASTER
> than
> > my AVERAGE and PEAK numbers on Linux, which leads me to conclude that
for
> > some reason my RH6.1 Linux is 4 times slower than Windows.

> > Also, RE: ppoe and custom drivers, I just changed my TCP/IP
configuration
> > and ran a registry hack to change my TCP RWin default size.  I have not
> > installed my cable modem software yet.  So this is as much apples to
> apples
> > networking comparison as I can get.

> > Anyone have suggestions as to how I can get my Linux to perform better?





> > > >I have a cable modem hooked up to my NE2000 compatible ISA card.  In
> > Windows
> > > >98 my fastest throughput is 8140Kbps and my average is about
2000Kbps.
> > In
> > > >linux my fastest throughput is 2000Kbps and my average is 500Kbps.  I
> > have
> > > >done the Win98 TCP RWin registry fix.  Is there a need for a similar
> fix
> > for
> > > >Linux?  Why does Linux networking suck so bad?

> > > You seem to be saying that your measurements with Linux, including the
> > > slower ones, are about 1/4 of the corresponding ones under Windows.
> > > However since you're also saying your Linux box is capable of
> > > 2Mbits/sec, this does not compute.

> > > Apart from that, nobody can help you without a great deal more
> > > information.

> > > -- Rod
> > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > Sunset Systems                           Preconfigured Linux Computers
> > > http://www.sunsetsystems.com/                      and Custom Software
> > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------

 
 
 

Windows 98 networking 400% FASTER than linux!

Post by ggscrip » Mon, 06 Mar 2000 04:00:00




Quote:> Yup, I am sure the measurements are correct because I used a web page
that
> supposedly measures your approximate speed, so there was NO chance of
> mistaking Kbytes/sec vs Kbits/sec.  I used MSIE on Windoze and
Netscape on
> Linux.

What's the URL for the web page, I'll try IE4 and NS4 from Win95 and
see what the speeds are.
And also NS4 on Linux..


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Windows 98 networking 400% FASTER than linux!

Post by Bill Unr » Mon, 06 Mar 2000 04:00:00



Quote:>Yup, I am sure the measurements are correct because I used a web page that
>supposedly measures your approximate speed, so there was NO chance of
>mistaking Kbytes/sec vs Kbits/sec.  I used MSIE on Windoze and Netscape on
>Linux.

Again you give no information. If you are asking is Linux always slower
than Win, the answer is no. Thus to figure out why yours is you need to
give more information as to how you have set things up.
 
 
 

Windows 98 networking 400% FASTER than linux!

Post by Bill Unr » Mon, 06 Mar 2000 04:00:00





]> Yup, I am sure the measurements are correct because I used a web page
]that
]> supposedly measures your approximate speed, so there was NO chance of
]> mistaking Kbytes/sec vs Kbits/sec.  I used MSIE on Windoze and
]Netscape on
]> Linux.
]>

]What's the URL for the web page, I'll try IE4 and NS4 from Win95 and
]see what the speeds are.
]And also NS4 on Linux..

I do not think he has any such information. This is a troll.
Repeated requests for more info have simply met with silence.

 
 
 

Windows 98 networking 400% FASTER than linux!

Post by anonymou » Mon, 06 Mar 2000 04:00:00


Quote:

> Again you give no information. If you are asking is Linux always slower
> than Win, the answer is no. Thus to figure out why yours is you need to
> give more information as to how you have set things up.

Hey... i got a couple sites you can check your speed... on mine, linux flys
compared to winblowz....
http://computingcentral.msn.com/category/internet/
http://www.toast.net
then again, you can never get an accurate test off a website like that,
especially in windows, since, after you hit a performance test once, the
test is precached and you will get an unbelievable speed the next time you
do that speed test...
 
 
 

Windows 98 networking 400% FASTER than linux!

Post by Rod Roa » Tue, 07 Mar 2000 04:00:00



>Hmmm...Let me clarify.  What I was saying is that my performance on Windows
>is 400% faster than my performance on Linux.  Note that both my AVERAGE
>performance and my PEAK performance numbers for Windows are 400% FASTER than
>my AVERAGE and PEAK numbers on Linux, which leads me to conclude that for
>some reason my RH6.1 Linux is 4 times slower than Windows.

And what I'm saying is I don't believe you.  If you can get 2Mbps
with Linux in *some* situation, then it's quite strange that Linux
gives you only 500 Kbps in a situation where Win gives you 2Mbps.

So if you're serious about wanting help, start coughing up some
credible details.  Otherwise we can only question your motives.

-- Rod


>> You seem to be saying that your measurements with Linux, including the
>> slower ones, are about 1/4 of the corresponding ones under Windows.
>> However since you're also saying your Linux box is capable of
>> 2Mbits/sec, this does not compute.

>> Apart from that, nobody can help you without a great deal more
>> information.

>> -- Rod
>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>> Sunset Systems                           Preconfigured Linux Computers
>> http://www.sunsetsystems.com/                      and Custom Software
>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------

 
 
 

Windows 98 networking 400% FASTER than linux!

Post by Tanvir Hassa » Tue, 07 Mar 2000 04:00:00


Ooops, sorry, the URL is:
http://www.computingcentral.com/topics/bandwidth/speedtest50.asp


Quote:> What's the URL for the web page, I'll try IE4 and NS4 from Win95 and
> see what the speeds are.
> And also NS4 on Linux..

 
 
 

Windows 98 networking 400% FASTER than linux!

Post by Brian Johnso » Tue, 07 Mar 2000 04:00:00


I think that for whatever reason that 8160Kbps number is way off..  on the
webpage itself MS says that when they tested this they received a rate of
6667Kbps between 2 computers connected directly with a 10 meg connection...
Cable doesn't even give you a full 10 megs (if I remember correctly it's
something like 6) so there's no way that's the real speed of your connection..
perhaps IE is caching the page or something? I dunno..  I just do know that
that # is way off..
-Brian

> My "test" is not scientific, but I believe it gives a number that should be
> pretty accurate.  Just continually reload this page:
> http://www.computingcentral.com/topics/bandwidth/speedtest50.asp

> It's an MSN site, so maybe they do something that makes IE look faster...but
> I didn't see anything in the code on that page that would suggest something
> like.  You can check it out for yourself.

> I took an average of about 5 runs and took the highest as a simple indicator
> of my best performance.  I took them in Linux and then rebooted in Windows
> (you need to do it at the same time because cable modems share bandwidth).
> I did these trials over severals days and late at night when my bandwidth is
> the best.  Yes, my Linux can reach 2000Kbps, but for some reason my Windows
> can reach ~8160Kbps.  I want to know how to fix this.

 
 
 

Windows 98 networking 400% FASTER than linux!

Post by ggscrip » Wed, 08 Mar 2000 04:00:00


NetMax firewall, 233 Pentium, 40 Meg
56K external modem

Windows box, 333 Celeron, 64Meg

Windows, IE5
41 Kbps
5 bytes/sec

Windows, NS4
42 Kbps
5.1 bytes/sec

Linux box, 133 pentium, 24Meg

Linux, NS4
40.6 Kbps
5 bytes/sec


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1. So is Windows XP faster or slower than 98/ME/2000?

In this article:

Lab Report: Windows XP Outperforms Earlier Versions
http://www.microsoft.
com/windowsxp/pro/evaluation/whyupgrade/performance.asp

I see the following claims:

"On average, Windows XP-based computers:

    * Score 36% higher than Windows 98 SE on Business Winstone 2001.
    * Score 77% higher than Windows 98 SE on Content Creation Winstone
    2001. * Perform equivalent to the record-setting speed of Windows
    2000 Professional, even with the addition of extensive new
    productivity features."

Yet elsewhere in COLA, I see postings claiming the exact opposite.

Which one should anyone believe? The Microsoft one (above) which is
bound to say "it's faster!" or the COLA ones which are bound to say
"it's slower!".

I think I prefer The Register's take on this:

Is XP performance worse than Win2k, or just the same?
http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/4/22753.html

"A pretty comprehensive set of benchmarks over at The Tech Report  
comes up with the possibly less than earth-shattering conclusion that
WinXP is pretty much neck and neck with Win2k, from a performance point
of view. XP seems to be slightly better than Win2k when it comes to
office productivity, but is pretty well tied with it on graphics and
gaming, in some cases even marginally losing."

On my home machine, Windows XP boots faster than Windows ME. I can't
say anything about the speed of applications, as I've not compared them
as yet. The slowest system to boot is Linux Mandrake; it's also the
slowest to login.

Perhaps the answer to this question is: "Who cares?"

--
Pete Goodwin
---
(My opinions are my own)

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