I am Desperate & Frustrated

I am Desperate & Frustrated

Post by Stuart Pinnoc » Sun, 08 Feb 1998 04:00:00



Heres my situation, I have two pentium 200's one MMX.

The MMX has Windows 95 installed
The non-MMX has Linux Redhat 5.0

I installed everything when i Installed Linux (Im a linux newbie btw)

I am trying to network the two boxes.  The linux box has a 3c509 card
linked through a hub to the win 95 machine which has a generic network
card.

The card in th win 95 machine is bound to tcp/ip which is configured as
192.100.100.1
with subnet mask of 255.255.255.0  The linux box has the following
configs..

UNDER INTERFACES

interface                IP                proto    atboot        active

lo                    127.0.0.1            none        yes
active
eth0                192.100.100.1    none        yes            active
ppp0                                          none        no
inactive

UNDER HOSTS

IP                            Name                        Nicknames
192.100.100.1       denise.pinnock             dee
192.100.100.2        Stuart
127.0.0.1                localhost
localhost.localdomain

NAMES

Hostname   denise.pinnock

Domain

Search for hostnames in additional domains

Nameservers   128.83.185.41
                        128.83.185.40   (these two are the nameservers
for my isp)

I CANT GET THESE TWO MACHINES TO SEE EACH OTHER ON THE NETWORK..

Can anyone give me any suggestions of what im missing or diong wrong!

 
 
 

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Post by Stuart Pinnoc » Mon, 09 Feb 1998 04:00:00


I made a TYPO the win 95 machine is setup as 192.100.100.2
the linux is 192.100.100.1   they dont have the same ip...

Quote:> The card in th win 95 machine is bound to tcp/ip which is configured as
> 192.100.100.1
> with subnet mask of 255.255.255.0  The linux box has the following
> configs..

> UNDER INTERFACES

> interface                IP                proto    atboot        active

> lo                    127.0.0.1            none        yes
> active
> eth0                192.100.100.1    none        yes            active
> ppp0                                          none        no
> inactive


 
 
 

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Post by Steven Darlingto » Mon, 09 Feb 1998 04:00:00


Quote:

> I CANT GET THESE TWO MACHINES TO SEE EACH OTHER ON THE NETWORK..

> Can anyone give me any suggestions of what im missing or diong wrong!

What are you using?  Are you starting with 'ping'ing the machines?
 
 
 

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Post by Christopher J. Wargas » Mon, 09 Feb 1998 04:00:00



> The MMX has Windows 95 installed
> The non-MMX has Linux Redhat 5.0
> I installed everything when i Installed Linux (Im a linux newbie btw)
> I am trying to network the two boxes.  The linux box has a 3c509 card
> linked through a hub to the win 95 machine which has a generic network
> card.

Are you sure that the linux box has created an ethernet device? (Did
you turn off Plug&Play on the 3c509 card?) If you type "ifconfig eth0"
do you see data? What shows up when you issue "netstat -rn"?

                                        cjw

Christopher J. Wargaski

Attempt to get a new car for your spouse--it'll be a great trade!

 
 
 

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Post by Ric » Mon, 09 Feb 1998 04:00:00



>Heres my situation, I have two pentium 200's one MMX.

>The MMX has Windows 95 installed
>The non-MMX has Linux Redhat 5.0

>I installed everything when i Installed Linux (Im a linux newbie btw)

>I am trying to network the two boxes.  The linux box has a 3c509 card
>linked through a hub to the win 95 machine which has a generic network
>card.

>The card in th win 95 machine is bound to tcp/ip which is configured as
>192.100.100.1
>with subnet mask of 255.255.255.0  The linux box has the following
>configs..

>UNDER INTERFACES

>interface                IP                proto    atboot        active

>lo                    127.0.0.1            none        yes
>active
>eth0                192.100.100.1    none        yes            active
>ppp0                                          none        no
>inactive

>UNDER HOSTS

>IP                            Name                        Nicknames
>192.100.100.1       denise.pinnock             dee
>192.100.100.2        Stuart
>127.0.0.1                localhost
>localhost.localdomain

>NAMES

>Hostname   denise.pinnock

>Domain

>Search for hostnames in additional domains

>Nameservers   128.83.185.41
>                        128.83.185.40   (these two are the nameservers
>for my isp)

>I CANT GET THESE TWO MACHINES TO SEE EACH OTHER ON THE NETWORK..

>Can anyone give me any suggestions of what im missing or diong wrong!

   Well, your first problem is that you said that both the WinBlows and the
Linux box have the same IP address.  That is certainly the first problem
to deal with.

-Rich

--
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My return address is my last name,

http://mulveyr.roc.servtech.com

 
 
 

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Post by RHS Linux Us » Mon, 09 Feb 1998 04:00:00




Quote:>I made a TYPO the win 95 machine is setup as 192.100.100.2
>the linux is 192.100.100.1   they dont have the same ip...

Hi

The ''spare'' ip numbers in that series are 192.168........ by the way.

Not that this will help with your problem.

Have you checked the 'hosts' file on the win95 machine?

Have you looked into what resolve.conf should have in it?

Sorry, --the best I can do is comiserate. Network stuff is a right sod if it
doesn't work.

                Good luck!

                             Dave  

--
D. J. Ford

Hatfield, Herts                          Phone:   +44 (0)1 707 886 095
AL10 0PF, U.K.                           Fax:     +44 (0)1 707 261 836

 
 
 

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Post by Stuart Pinnoc » Mon, 09 Feb 1998 04:00:00



> Are you sure that the linux box has created an ethernet device? (Did
> you turn off Plug&Play on the 3c509 card?) If you type "ifconfig eth0"
> do you see data? What shows up when you issue "netstat -rn"?

>                                         cjw

The linux box did create the ethernet device when i enter ifconfig eth0 i
get back:
Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr 00:60:08:99:4B:38
inet addr:192.100.100.1 Bcast:192.100.100.255  Mask:255.255.255.0
UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1
RX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0
TX packets:7 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0
interrupt:10 Base address:0x300

the netstat -rn gives the following

destination         gateway       genmask         flags   mss   window
irtt  lface
127.0.0.1          0.0.0.0     255.255.255.255 UH   3584  0            0
lo
192.100.100.0  0.0.0.0     255.255.255.0      U     1500  0            0
eth0
127.0.0.0             -            255.0.0.0              !            -
-             -   -

I put all this in hoping you will see and inconsistency. and to answer some
other questions ping is what i am using to try and see the other machine..it
will ping itself (so will the win95 machine) but they both cannot ping to
the other..

 
 
 

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Post by Ludio Nieve » Mon, 09 Feb 1998 04:00:00


Let's look at this from a hardware point of view. I do a lot of
installations and run into these all the time.

Try this:

    From the Linux box, ping  the Windows box and check the traffic
indicator on your hub. This should tell you that you are at least getting
out of the Linux box.

    Try the same thing from the Windows box, although you may need someone
to help you since Windows does 4 pings and then stops (there may be a flag
to make it ping continuously but I don't know it.)

    You may also want to try a nulled 10-base-T cable straight from box to
box, bypassing the hub.

Anyway, the above steps are just a few more things to try out if you still
haven't gotten it going by the time you read this.


> Heres my situation, I have two pentium 200's one MMX.

> The MMX has Windows 95 installed
> The non-MMX has Linux Redhat 5.0

> I installed everything when i Installed Linux (Im a linux newbie btw)

> I am trying to network the two boxes.  The linux box has a 3c509 card
> linked through a hub to the win 95 machine which has a generic network
> card.

> The card in th win 95 machine is bound to tcp/ip which is configured as
> 192.100.100.1
> with subnet mask of 255.255.255.0  The linux box has the following
> configs..

> UNDER INTERFACES

> interface                IP                proto    atboot        active

> lo                    127.0.0.1            none        yes
> active
> eth0                192.100.100.1    none        yes            active
> ppp0                                          none        no
> inactive

> UNDER HOSTS

> IP                            Name                        Nicknames
> 192.100.100.1       denise.pinnock             dee
> 192.100.100.2        Stuart
> 127.0.0.1                localhost
> localhost.localdomain

> NAMES

> Hostname   denise.pinnock

> Domain

> Search for hostnames in additional domains

> Nameservers   128.83.185.41
>                         128.83.185.40   (these two are the nameservers
> for my isp)

> I CANT GET THESE TWO MACHINES TO SEE EACH OTHER ON THE NETWORK..

> Can anyone give me any suggestions of what im missing or diong wrong!

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Post by Stuart Pinnoc » Mon, 09 Feb 1998 04:00:00


Well You might have identified the problem.  The traffic indicator blinks with
the timed out pings from the windows 95 box but does nothing when i ping from
the Linux box.

I am wondering if the Linux box is having problems with the network
card..someone told me to disable the plug and play on the card..but I have
long since gotten rid of the instruction manual and am not sure if I can
figure it out on the card. I am going to power it down now and check the card
but if anyone has any ideas about this new twist..your help would be
appreciated..


> Let's look at this from a hardware point of view. I do a lot of
> installations and run into these all the time.

> Try this:

>     From the Linux box, ping  the Windows box and check the traffic
> indicator on your hub. This should tell you that you are at least getting
> out of the Linux box.

>     Try the same thing from the Windows box, although you may need someone
> to help you since Windows does 4 pings and then stops (there may be a flag
> to make it ping continuously but I don't know it.)

>     You may also want to try a nulled 10-base-T cable straight from box to
> box, bypassing the hub.

> Anyway, the above steps are just a few more things to try out if you still
> haven't gotten it going by the time you read this.

 
 
 

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Post by Stuart Pinnoc » Mon, 09 Feb 1998 04:00:00


Well I just checked and the Card has no jumpers *sigh*  any ideas??


> Well You might have identified the problem.  The traffic indicator blinks with
> the timed out pings from the windows 95 box but does nothing when i ping from
> the Linux box.

> I am wondering if the Linux box is having problems with the network
> card..someone told me to disable the plug and play on the card..but I have
> long since gotten rid of the instruction manual and am not sure if I can
> figure it out on the card. I am going to power it down now and check the card
> but if anyone has any ideas about this new twist..your help would be
> appreciated..


> > Let's look at this from a hardware point of view. I do a lot of
> > installations and run into these all the time.

> > Try this:

> >     From the Linux box, ping  the Windows box and check the traffic
> > indicator on your hub. This should tell you that you are at least getting
> > out of the Linux box.

> >     Try the same thing from the Windows box, although you may need someone
> > to help you since Windows does 4 pings and then stops (there may be a flag
> > to make it ping continuously but I don't know it.)

> >     You may also want to try a nulled 10-base-T cable straight from box to
> > box, bypassing the hub.

> > Anyway, the above steps are just a few more things to try out if you still
> > haven't gotten it going by the time you read this.

 
 
 

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Post by Ludio Nieve » Mon, 09 Feb 1998 04:00:00


Before you dive into the Linux box too deeply, try one more thing. Replace the
10-base-T patch cord. Sounds simple, but I've been bitten by this one before.


> Well I just checked and the Card has no jumpers *sigh*  any ideas??


> > Well You might have identified the problem.  The traffic indicator blinks with
> > the timed out pings from the windows 95 box but does nothing when i ping from
> > the Linux box.

> > I am wondering if the Linux box is having problems with the network
> > card..someone told me to disable the plug and play on the card..but I have
> > long since gotten rid of the instruction manual and am not sure if I can
> > figure it out on the card. I am going to power it down now and check the card
> > but if anyone has any ideas about this new twist..your help would be
> > appreciated..


> > > Let's look at this from a hardware point of view. I do a lot of
> > > installations and run into these all the time.

> > > Try this:

> > >     From the Linux box, ping  the Windows box and check the traffic
> > > indicator on your hub. This should tell you that you are at least getting
> > > out of the Linux box.

> > >     Try the same thing from the Windows box, although you may need someone
> > > to help you since Windows does 4 pings and then stops (there may be a flag
> > > to make it ping continuously but I don't know it.)

> > >     You may also want to try a nulled 10-base-T cable straight from box to
> > > box, bypassing the hub.

> > > Anyway, the above steps are just a few more things to try out if you still
> > > haven't gotten it going by the time you read this.

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Post by Sid Boyc » Tue, 10 Feb 1998 04:00:00



> Heres my situation, I have two pentium 200's one MMX.

> The MMX has Windows 95 installed
> The non-MMX has Linux Redhat 5.0

> I installed everything when i Installed Linux (Im a linux newbie btw)

> I am trying to network the two boxes.  The linux box has a 3c509 card
> linked through a hub to the win 95 machine which has a generic network
> card.

> The card in th win 95 machine is bound to tcp/ip which is configured as
> 192.100.100.1
> with subnet mask of 255.255.255.0  The linux box has the following
> configs..

> UNDER INTERFACES

> interface                IP                proto    atboot        active

> lo                    127.0.0.1            none        yes
> active
> eth0                192.100.100.1    none        yes            active
> ppp0                                          none        no
> inactive

> UNDER HOSTS

> IP                            Name                        Nicknames
> 192.100.100.1       denise.pinnock             dee
> 192.100.100.2        Stuart
> 127.0.0.1                localhost
> localhost.localdomain

> NAMES

> Hostname   denise.pinnock

> Domain

> Search for hostnames in additional domains

> Nameservers   128.83.185.41
>                         128.83.185.40   (these two are the nameservers
> for my isp)

> I CANT GET THESE TWO MACHINES TO SEE EACH OTHER ON THE NETWORK..

> Can anyone give me any suggestions of what im missing or diong wrong!

        The stuff attached may help you, certainly hope so.
Regards
--
... Sid Boyce...Amdahl(UK)...44-121 422 0375
                   -----------------------------------
Any opinions expressed above are mine and do not necessarily represent
 the opinions or policies of Amdahl Corporation.

[ ethsetup 1K ]
        I have compiled 3c509 as a module, this has allowed me to alter IRQ's
and ioport addresses on the fly by compiling 3c5x9setup.c from
http://cesdis.gsfc.nasa.gov/cesdis.html the source includes instructions for
compiling and also the command line options such as 3c5x9setup -P 0x310 -p
0x300 to change ioport from 310 to 300, also 3c5x9setup -Q 12 to change the
IRQ to 12.
"Usage: 3c5x9 [-aEfFsvVw] [-p <IOport>] [-F 10baseT|10base2|AUI>] [-Q <IRQ>]\n";
        I could then use rmmod 3c509 and insmod 3c509 to activate the changes.
        My string is as follows ................
insmod 3c509 io=0x300 irq=12
ifconfig eth0 10.0.0.1 netmask 255.255.255.0 broadcast 10.0.0.255
route add 10.0.0.2 eth0
        The route is for an ISDN router sitting off the 3c509. I had to alter
the IRQ from 11 because of a conflict with my video card. Currently I'm on
the latest 2.1 kernel (2.1.85 on 5th. Feb. 1998)
        I also have the ipaddress 10.0.0.3 and the domainname g3vbv2.ampr.org
in my /etc/hosts file, this is for the second machine in the network.
        My setup has NFS and I cross mout each system, so I can install
stuff across the network when I compile on one machine, also to have access
to all the files on the other system and I use IP Masquerading so I can connect
to the internet from both machines. The ethernet card on the second machine
is an Etherexpress 16 and they connect via a Hub, though a crossed ethernet
cable would do the job in it's absence.

 
 
 

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Post by Przemyslaw Karwasieck » Tue, 10 Feb 1998 04:00:00


Hi Stuart!


> Well I just checked and the Card has no jumpers *sigh*  any ideas??

Look at ftp.3com.com site and find dos-utility to play with
card settings. It's called 3c5x9cfg.exe but maybe they keep
it packed in some zip, so look around.

Przmek

 
 
 

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Post by Pat Thoyt » Tue, 10 Feb 1998 04:00:00



> Heres my situation, I have two pentium 200's one MMX.

> The MMX has Windows 95 installed
> The non-MMX has Linux Redhat 5.0

> I installed everything when i Installed Linux (Im a linux newbie btw)

> I am trying to network the two boxes.  The linux box has a 3c509 card
> linked through a hub to the win 95 machine which has a generic network
> card.

> The card in th win 95 machine is bound to tcp/ip which is configured as
> 192.100.100.1
> with subnet mask of 255.255.255.0  The linux box has the following
> configs..[snip]

Paste in the boot-up messages for the ethernet card. If it is plug-and
-pray, you might want to get it going by booting up DOS from a floppy
and loading a dos driver for the card. Then warm boot and the card
should retain the correct settings.

You might get hold of the isapnp tools. They contain dumppnp (or
something) and isapnp and produce a bizzarre looking file
/etc/isapnp.conf which basically allows you to pick the pnp set
you want it to use.

The basic configuration looks OK. Try running tcpdump on the other
host. You might need to fix up a boot floppy to get linux running on
the win95 host but tcpdump will let you watch all the ethernet traffic.
This will show if anything is coming down the cable.

Try cat /proc/interrupts and cat /proc/devices and cat /proc/pci

I recently had a system where the SCSI PCI card and the 3c590 (PCI)
cards wouldn't work together. It eventually turned out that the
SCSI card didn't like the io addresses the PCI bus was giving it and
using a different slot (so that it became the first card detected)
finally fixed the system.

Finally, how about swapping the cards between the two systems?
It could be the 3com card is bust?

--
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PGP Key at http://www.geocities.com/Yosemite/Rapids/1661/resume.html

 
 
 

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Post by Brandon Johnso » Thu, 12 Feb 1998 04:00:00



> Heres my situation, I have two pentium 200's one MMX.

<snip>
> I CANT GET THESE TWO MACHINES TO SEE EACH OTHER ON THE NETWORK..

> Can anyone give me any suggestions of what im missing or diong wrong!

        I recently setup a RH 5.0 server for someone and came across the same
problem. I did many diffent things to try and get it to work so it is
difficult to say exactly what was the problem/fix.  However I did get
them to work. I followed the NET-3-HOWTO using ping and ifconfig to
ensure that the card was working on the linux side as well as setting up
DNS (especially if you start named at bootup) from the DNS-HOWTO making
it a local DNS (ie not a root name server).  Sometimes you really have
to read the entire document before you get answers and before any of it
makes sense. Then, you usually have to read it again especially the
DNS-HOWTO. Be encouraged! :-)
        I had trouble with the Win95 setup and tried many different things
there as well to get that to work. Ensure that it is on the same IP
network ie 192.100.100.1 255.255.255.0 is not the same as 192.100.100.1
255.255.0.0 or something like that. Create a lmhosts file in the windows
directory that has the linux servers ip address and name in it and then
enable lmhost for the IP protocol. Make sure that you are using the
correct Windows drivers and that you are editing the correct protocol
stack on the correct card.
        Somewhere in the above process (I think it was in the NET-3-HOWTO) the
card was recognised and up and running. I could ping! (using IP address)
it wasn't until I had all the config files for DNS like /etc/hosts and
DNS files configured that I could ping by name. I then had to install
the wu-ftpd.rpm package before ftp could work properly. I could then
telnet and ftp! The last stage was getting Samba working which just
needed a recompile and all done.

Networking is a complicated beast, good luck and good reading. :-)

Regards,
Brandon Johnson

 
 
 

1. TO ALL THAT HELPED with I Am Desperate & Frustrated

I know I got tons of good advice on how to deal with the problem of my
two computers not seeing each other..and when I tell you how stupid the
solution was *I feel like slapping myself*

I got that 3Com configuration Utility and decided to mess around with it
after I had turned off Plug and Play.  First thing I did was run a
diagnostic and It told me *hey dork your interrupt is conflicting*  so I
had to change the card to Int3 and everything now works..the pinging is
beautiful!!

Until the next crisis!

Stuart

I really appreciate all the help, advice and patience I got from people
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