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OK, I changed providers to Earthlink lately and my mail has gone to hell.

I used to be able to email my sister at AOL, but now that's gone.  And a
few other providers are now giving me fits when I try to email somebody
there.

Here's a sample returned mail:

Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 01:18:56 -0400


Subject: Returned mail: Service unavailable

1.      
The original message was received at Thu, 15 Apr 1999 01:18:52 -0400
from earthlink.net [127.0.0.1]

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... while talking to pompano.pcola.gulf.net.:
<<< 550 Access denied

2.      
Reporting-MTA: dns; freddie.jamstar.com
Received-From-MTA: DNS; earthlink.net
Arrival-Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 01:18:52 -0400

Action: failed
Status: 5.0.0
Remote-MTA: DNS; pompano.pcola.gulf.net
Diagnostic-Code: SMTP; 550 Access denied
Last-Attempt-Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 01:18:56 -0400

3.      Test #48

Subject: Test #48

Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 01:18:52 -0400

Reconfigured sendmail & trying *AGAIN* dammit.

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I'd *LOVE* to see somebody's mtstailor and sendmail.cf who uses Earthlink
for a provider and who can email AOL, GulfNet, and anybody else on the
planet.  Post mtstailors and email the configs, please.

Keven

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knows it. Use your real address.

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    Keven> OK, I changed providers to Earthlink lately and my mail has
    Keven> gone to hell.  I used to be able to email my sister at AOL,
    Keven> but now that's gone.  And a few other providers are now
    Keven> giving me fits when I try to email somebody there.

    Keven> Here's a sample returned mail:

    Keven> 1.  The original message was received at Thu, 15 Apr 1999
    Keven> 01:18:52 -0400 from earthlink.net [127.0.0.1]
                                             ^^^^^^^^^^^
                                             |||||||||||
It looks to me like you may have a sender issue.  Have you set up
sendmail to masquerade as your provider?  I used to do something like
this:

from /etc/sendmail.cf:

# my official domain name ... define this only if sendmail cannot
# automatically determine your domain

Dj$w.earthlink.net

This causes all your outgoing mail to look like it came from your

It seems that many providers will not pass mail that has an invalid
Sender: line & the above will fix that.  (I went through similar
torture on my linux box when first I set it up.)

mp

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For some reason that does not surprise me.  I, until somewhat recently,
was on a Sprint/Earthlink account....mail NEVER worked, I used my own
SMTP server for outgoing mail, and often had to telnet into their POP3
and delete messages in order to GET my mail.  My news postings, until
about a week before I told them to get *ed, hardly ever made it
out...and I was unable to upload my webpages to their ftp server.

When I told them about these problems, the blamed my box...after I told
them repetedly that theirs was the ONLY server I had these problems
with.  I went along for a while, tried all the passive and transfer
types they told me....eventually I had a sys admin friend look at my
box, and try to send something to my website from his...guess what, he
told me to tell them their server was *ed so I did.  The person I
talked to supposedly used linux at home and "never had these problems".

Often I was unable to get through because the point of pressence sent me
jibberish or...get this...HTML (happened once, I called tech support and
got some drunk moron who didn't know ... well you get the picture)!!!
But that was when they were sprint.  Besides that, they just liked to
periodically change the login script on me without notice.

Earthink is the most seriously *ed ISP you will ever find.  Switch
immediately is all I can say.

Now I have a different ISP and I get my mail, can use my website, can
post to newsgroups...I am very happy.  Except they also like to send
jibberish in their pop, or change the login script from one to the
other...often times within the same 5 minutes....they have 2 different
ways of doing it and which I get seems to be random.  I need to figure
out how to make chat wait for one thing or the other so I don't have to
* with that anymore and I would be ok.

SPRYNET is the *BEST* I have ever seen or tried, or heard about.  Only
problem, well used to be anyway, id they had MS only software/protocols
for tranfering websites.  Now Mindspring bought them and they use
ftp....you even get your own domain like ....
http://www.veryComputer.com/

No kidding.  Why you think I asked if anybody had working sendmail.cf's
and mtstailor files for Earthlink?  I do *NOT* understand sendmail.

Keven
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So what you're saying is that you want a configuration that lets you use
a bogus address. In that case, you're going to have to change EARTHLINK'S
sendmail.cf file; no amount of changing your own sendmail.cf will help you
do that. It is EARTHLINK'S sendmail that is rejecting your message. Every
time you send e-mail through Earthlink that has a bogus From address, the
Earthlink mailer will reject it and send it back to you.

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If I had to guess, I'd guess that these providers got tired of receiving
spam from Earthlink and have denied access to the entire domain because
Earthlink refuses to deal with spam appropriately.

Just a guess...

Jim
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No, I need to rig sendmail.cf so that gulf.net and AOL truly consider me
as part of Earthlink.  Freddie.jamstar.com is my home machine.  I've asked
this several times.  Trust me, you're *NOT* helping.

Keven
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On 17 Apr 1999 01:33:49 GMT,

Quote:

> No, I need to rig sendmail.cf so that gulf.net and AOL truly consider me
> as part of Earthlink.  Freddie.jamstar.com is my home machine.  I've asked
> this several times.  Trust me, you're *NOT* helping.

Well, you've made it slightly difficult, considering that your login
name on your home machine differs from that in your address.  (The usual
trick that I do is to make them match, so I'm 'bem' on every machine and
the only trick is the domain.)

At any rate, what you want to use is the 'genericstable' feature of
sendmail.  This lets you rewrite the envelope to match what it 'should'
be from a table.

From the handy-dandy sendmail.org web page:

enericstable      This feature will cause certain addresses
                  originating locally (i.e.  that are unqualified) or
                  a domain listed in $=G to be looked up in a map and
                  turned into another ("generic") form, which can
                  change both the domain name and the user name.  This
                  is similar to the userdb functionality.  The same
                  types of addresses as for masquerading are looked
                  up, i.e.  only header sender addresses unless the
                  allmasquerade and/or masquerade_envelope features
                  are given.  Qualified addresses must have the domain
                  part in the list of names given by the macros
                  GENERICS_DOMAIN or GENERICS_DOMAIN_FILE (analogously
                  to MASQUERADE_DOMAIN and MASQUERADE_DOMAIN_FILE, see
                  below).

                  The argument of FEATURE(`genericstable') may be the
                  map definition; the default map definition is:

                             hash -o /etc/genericstable

                  The key for this table is either the full address or
                  the unqualified username (the former is tried
                  first); the value is the new user address.  If the
                  new user address does not include a domain, it will
                  be qualified in the standard manner, i.e.  using $j
                  or the masquerade name.  Note that the address being
                  looked up must be fully qualified.  For local mail,
                  it is necessary to use FEATURE(`always_add_domain')
                  for the addresses to be qualified.

To enable this in the sendmail on stock RH5.2, uncomment the line in
/etc/sendmail.cf that defines the table, uncomment out the rulesets for
it (look for "generics" and you'll see them) and create the proper hash
file (use 'makemap' instead of 'hash' above).

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Um, I'm using RH 4.1 with some 4.2 updates.

Keven
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On 17 Apr 1999 03:14:41 GMT,

Quote:

> Um, I'm using RH 4.1 with some 4.2 updates.

Will probably still work.  Most distributions come with a mondo
sendmail.cf with all sorts of options turned on but commented out.

Look for the string 'generics' in your sendmail.cf file.  If
genericstable is there, you're set.  If not, you'll have to rebuild
the sendmail.cf to add it.  (Which isn't as scary as people will tell
you.)

This will allow you to have a file like:

And have both local addresses rewrite into the proper return address
(think of it as a sort of reverse of virtual hosting).

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OK, from my sendmail.cf:

# Generics table (mapping outgoing addresses)
#Kgenerics dbm /etc/genericstable

Uncomment it and add a genericstable file?

Keven
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On 17 Apr 1999 03:40:03 GMT,

Quote:

> OK, from my sendmail.cf:

> # Generics table (mapping outgoing addresses)
> #Kgenerics dbm /etc/genericstable

> Uncomment it and add a genericstable file?

Slightly more complex: look further in the file and you'll see another
rule that looks like:

# handle generics database






#R< > $*                        $: $1                           not found

Remove the leading '#' on each of those lines (don't change the tabs --
spaces and tabs are important).

There, like magic you have a sendmail.cf that supports the
genericstable.  (No m4 needed!)

Now just build the file that it wants (in this case, a dbm -- or you
can change the 'dbm' (both above and below) to 'hash' if your sendmail
and makemap support it):

makemap dbm /etc/genericstable < /etc/genericstable

You should see a pair of files: genericstable.pag and .dir.

Restart sendmail (kill -HUP `head -1 /var/run/sendmail.pid`) and
you're done.

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Then you need to use the tip someone else gave you already. Sendmail will
default to your hostname+domainname for outgoing mail unless you specify
a fully-qualified domain name to be used in outgoing mail. Find the
sendmail.cf lines

-------
# my official domain name
# ... define this only if sendmail cannot automatically determine your domain
#Dj$w.Foo.COM

Dj
-------
[DASHES ARE MINE] and change the last line:

-------
# my official domain name
# ... define this only if sendmail cannot automatically determine your domain
#Dj$w.Foo.COM

Djearthlink.net
-------

Then all mail that starts out with a From: line with no domain in it
(e.g. From: freddie) will be processed differently. Right now, the defaults

Better?

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I'll give it a try...

Keven
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