HELP: Installing Linux from a USB CD-ROM (bootable!)

HELP: Installing Linux from a USB CD-ROM (bootable!)

Post by IT3 Stuart Blake Tener, USNR- » Sun, 19 Aug 2001 06:59:22



Linux Users:

I am working on a machine which has no IDE CD-ROM in it, but has a BIOS
which allows you to boot up off a USB CD-ROM. I successfully boot up off the
CD-ROM using Mandrake 8.0, but then it gets to a certain point (after doing
all the hardware indentification and it puts the title "Welcome to
Linux-Mandrake") where it says:

Running install...
Welcome to Linux-Mandrake (8.0) Apr 18 2001 10:16:16
Please wait: Trying to access a CD-ROM disc (drive (none))

Quote:> I can't access a Linux-Mandrake Installation disc in your CD-ROM drive

((none)).
Retry?
(0) Yes
(1) No
(2) Back
?

What can I do (by putting some command line arguments on the "linux
hda=?????" line)?

Can I custom burn a new CD-ROM with other drivers in the kernel?

By the way, if you do know about how to burn custom installation CD-ROM, I'd
appreciate knowing that, as I would like to add some programs to what
Linux-Mandrake loads into the ramdisk when it boots up in rescue mode. I
would like to add some programs to the /bin it created when it builds the
ramdisk it runs from. I would also like to increase the size of the ramdisk
it creates.
As well, I would like to also have the kernel have some additional drivers
built into it for rescue mode (i.e., 1394 stuff).

What choices do I have to do my install from a USB drive. Now please, dont
tell me to use a different CD-ROM, tell me how I can make what I have work.

Stuart
Beverly Hills, CA, USA

 
 
 

HELP: Installing Linux from a USB CD-ROM (bootable!)

Post by Rober » Sun, 19 Aug 2001 08:53:04


My initial reaction to your problem, is that you have a problem.
AFAIK: USB devices are not supported at the point in time
when Linux attempts to take over control of your CD Drive.
If you had a Linux boot disk, it may be possible to enable
the CD Drive and install the software but I am not familiar
with your version of Linux.

Robert

******************************


Quote:> Linux Users:

> I am working on a machine which has no IDE CD-ROM in it, but has a BIOS
> which allows you to boot up off a USB CD-ROM. I successfully boot up off
the
> CD-ROM using Mandrake 8.0, but then it gets to a certain point (after
doing
> all the hardware indentification and it puts the title "Welcome to
> Linux-Mandrake") where it says:

> Running install...
> Welcome to Linux-Mandrake (8.0) Apr 18 2001 10:16:16
> Please wait: Trying to access a CD-ROM disc (drive (none))
> > I can't access a Linux-Mandrake Installation disc in your CD-ROM drive
> ((none)).
> Retry?
> (0) Yes
> (1) No
> (2) Back
> ?

> What can I do (by putting some command line arguments on the "linux
> hda=?????" line)?

> Can I custom burn a new CD-ROM with other drivers in the kernel?

> By the way, if you do know about how to burn custom installation CD-ROM,
I'd
> appreciate knowing that, as I would like to add some programs to what
> Linux-Mandrake loads into the ramdisk when it boots up in rescue mode. I
> would like to add some programs to the /bin it created when it builds the
> ramdisk it runs from. I would also like to increase the size of the
ramdisk
> it creates.
> As well, I would like to also have the kernel have some additional drivers
> built into it for rescue mode (i.e., 1394 stuff).

> What choices do I have to do my install from a USB drive. Now please, dont
> tell me to use a different CD-ROM, tell me how I can make what I have
work.

> Stuart
> Beverly Hills, CA, USA


 
 
 

HELP: Installing Linux from a USB CD-ROM (bootable!)

Post by michael james obri » Sun, 19 Aug 2001 16:24:06


STuart,

If it is possible to use the USB cdrom drive , you need to make a boot
floppy and a modules floppy, then insert the appropriate modules in the
install sequence (when they ask if you want/need to load any special
modules).  I don't know what modules are needed for the USB drive,
perhaps  someone else knows?

 
 
 

HELP: Installing Linux from a USB CD-ROM (bootable!)

Post by IT3 Stuart Blake Tener, USNR- » Mon, 20 Aug 2001 14:53:01


Mr. Obrien:



Quote:

> STuart,

> If it is possible to use the USB cdrom drive , you need to make a boot
> floppy and a modules floppy, then insert the appropriate modules in the
> install sequence (when they ask if you want/need to load any special
> modules).  I don't know what modules are needed for the USB drive,
> perhaps  someone else knows?

Presuming we knew which modules were needed (and we dont), then yes, a boot
floppy would work. The question I have is what is the difference between the
code which executes off the CD-ROM until that point, and that which is
afterwards? In other words for the CD-ROM to boot up at all (and thus get me
to that point), it must be able to be read!

a) I still need to know what modules and kernel options are necessary
b) How to make a boot floppy on an LS-120 (since I dont have a standard
floppy drive in my laptop), but have an LS-120
c) How big would such a kernel (presuming everything needed was compiled in
and not in a module form) be?

Stuart
Beverly Hills, CA, USA

 
 
 

HELP: Installing Linux from a USB CD-ROM (bootable!)

Post by IT3 Stuart Blake Tener, USNR- » Mon, 20 Aug 2001 14:53:57


Robert:

I am running Mandrake 8.0

Stuart
Beverly Hills, CA, USA


> My initial reaction to your problem, is that you have a problem.
> AFAIK: USB devices are not supported at the point in time
> when Linux attempts to take over control of your CD Drive.
> If you had a Linux boot disk, it may be possible to enable
> the CD Drive and install the software but I am not familiar
> with your version of Linux.

> Robert

> ******************************


> > Linux Users:

> > I am working on a machine which has no IDE CD-ROM in it, but has a BIOS
> > which allows you to boot up off a USB CD-ROM. I successfully boot up off
> the
> > CD-ROM using Mandrake 8.0, but then it gets to a certain point (after
> doing
> > all the hardware indentification and it puts the title "Welcome to
> > Linux-Mandrake") where it says:

> > Running install...
> > Welcome to Linux-Mandrake (8.0) Apr 18 2001 10:16:16
> > Please wait: Trying to access a CD-ROM disc (drive (none))
> > > I can't access a Linux-Mandrake Installation disc in your CD-ROM drive
> > ((none)).
> > Retry?
> > (0) Yes
> > (1) No
> > (2) Back
> > ?

> > What can I do (by putting some command line arguments on the "linux
> > hda=?????" line)?

> > Can I custom burn a new CD-ROM with other drivers in the kernel?

> > By the way, if you do know about how to burn custom installation CD-ROM,
> I'd
> > appreciate knowing that, as I would like to add some programs to what
> > Linux-Mandrake loads into the ramdisk when it boots up in rescue mode. I
> > would like to add some programs to the /bin it created when it builds
the
> > ramdisk it runs from. I would also like to increase the size of the
> ramdisk
> > it creates.
> > As well, I would like to also have the kernel have some additional
drivers
> > built into it for rescue mode (i.e., 1394 stuff).

> > What choices do I have to do my install from a USB drive. Now please,
dont
> > tell me to use a different CD-ROM, tell me how I can make what I have
> work.

> > Stuart
> > Beverly Hills, CA, USA

 
 
 

HELP: Installing Linux from a USB CD-ROM (bootable!)

Post by John Winte » Mon, 20 Aug 2001 15:29:53




>Mr. Obrien:



>> STuart,

>> If it is possible to use the USB cdrom drive , you need to make a boot
>> floppy and a modules floppy, then insert the appropriate modules in the
>> install sequence (when they ask if you want/need to load any special
>> modules).  I don't know what modules are needed for the USB drive,
>> perhaps  someone else knows?

>Presuming we knew which modules were needed (and we dont), then yes, a boot
>floppy would work. The question I have is what is the difference between the
>code which executes off the CD-ROM until that point, and that which is
>afterwards? In other words for the CD-ROM to boot up at all (and thus get me
>to that point), it must be able to be read!

For the CD-ROM to be able to boot, your BIOS needs to know how to access
it (and clearly it does).  That's why you can get as far as you do.
Once Linux itself starts it bypasses the BIOS and accesses all the
devices itself.  That's why you can get as far as you do.  I'm afraid
I don't know the answer to the question of how to get further.

John
--
John Winters.  Wallingford, Oxon, England.

The Linux Emporium - the source for Linux CDs in the UK
See http://www.linuxemporium.co.uk/

 
 
 

HELP: Installing Linux from a USB CD-ROM (bootable!)

Post by michael james obri » Tue, 21 Aug 2001 15:56:17


Stuart,

The installer loads by means of your BIOS.    The installer uses the
linux kernel, and linux kernels don't use the BIOS, they deal with the
devices directly.

: a) I still need to know what modules and kernel options are necessary

Ok, I did some poking around for you.  The CDROM howto at
www.linuxdoc.org discusses USB CDROM drives and has a link to the USB
howto, both of which discuss how to get the kernel to use the USB CDROM.

: b) How to make a boot floppy on an LS-120 (since I dont have a standard
: floppy drive in my laptop), but have an LS-120

After looking at the drake ftp site, I found a boot disk image for
miscellaneous and unusual devices, which MIGHT support the USB CDROM.

You can try using rawrite to make a bootable floppy.  I have no
experinece wit hthe LS-120, so I am not sure it would work.

: c) How big would such a kernel (presuming everything needed was compiled in
: and not in a module form) be?

IT would fit on a floppy, I'm sure.

 
 
 

HELP: Installing Linux from a USB CD-ROM (bootable!)

Post by IT3 Stuart Blake Tener, USNR- » Tue, 21 Aug 2001 20:31:18




Quote:

> Stuart,

> The installer loads by means of your BIOS.    The installer uses the
> linux kernel, and linux kernels don't use the BIOS, they deal with the
> devices directly.

> : a) I still need to know what modules and kernel options are necessary

> Ok, I did some poking around for you.  The CDROM howto at
> www.linuxdoc.org discusses USB CDROM drives and has a link to the USB
> howto, both of which discuss how to get the kernel to use the USB CDROM.

Well I did look around for a doc which spoke about it, but I will check this
website and look again. Perhaps I missed it the first time (unfortunately,
it would not be the first time I missed something the first time!).

Quote:

> : b) How to make a boot floppy on an LS-120 (since I dont have a standard
> : floppy drive in my laptop), but have an LS-120

> After looking at the drake ftp site, I found a boot disk image for
> miscellaneous and unusual devices, which MIGHT support the USB CDROM.

> You can try using rawrite to make a bootable floppy.  I have no
> experinece wit hthe LS-120, so I am not sure it would work.

First the guy got me the wrong drive I found out (its a 3 1/2 1.44MB, so I
need to get an LS-120 actually) so I will look for it and download.
Did you happen to record the URL?

Quote:

> : c) How big would such a kernel (presuming everything needed was compiled
in
> : and not in a module form) be?

> IT would fit on a floppy, I'm sure.

Fair enough, but I still need to get an LS-120 boot floppy going one day
(stand alone if possible [as a recovery system]).
 
 
 

HELP: Installing Linux from a USB CD-ROM (bootable!)

Post by michael james obri » Wed, 22 Aug 2001 10:54:31



: > : a) I still need to know what modules and kernel options are necessary
: >
: > Ok, I did some poking around for you.  The CDROM howto at
: > www.linuxdoc.org discusses USB CDROM drives and has a link to the USB
: > howto, both of which discuss how to get the kernel to use the USB CDROM.

: Well I did look around for a doc which spoke about it, but I will check this
: website and look again. Perhaps I missed it the first time (unfortunately,
: it would not be the first time I missed something the first time!).

Yeah, it was kindof hard to find, actually.

http://www.linuxdoc.org/HOWTO/CDROM-HOWTO/index.html

: > : b) How to make a boot floppy on an LS-120 (since I dont have a standard
: > : floppy drive in my laptop), but have an LS-120
: >
: > After looking at the drake ftp site, I found a boot disk image for
: > miscellaneous and unusual devices, which MIGHT support the USB CDROM.
: >
: > You can try using rawrite to make a bootable floppy.  I have no
: > experinece wit hthe LS-120, so I am not sure it would work.

: First the guy got me the wrong drive I found out (its a 3 1/2 1.44MB, so I
: need to get an LS-120 actually) so I will look for it and download.
: Did you happen to record the URL?

http://www.linux-mandrake.com/en/ftp.php3

lists a number of mirrors.  From there, pick one.  The boot images are
located in the images directory. There's a README file describing them.

: > : c) How big would such a kernel (presuming everything needed was compiled
: in
: > : and not in a module form) be?
: >
: > IT would fit on a floppy, I'm sure.

: Fair enough, but I still need to get an LS-120 boot floppy going one day
: (stand alone if possible [as a recovery system]).

I thought the big thing about LS-120 drives was that they could use
standard 1.44 MB floppies as well as the 120 MB superdisks.  Am I wrong?

 
 
 

HELP: Installing Linux from a USB CD-ROM (bootable!)

Post by Rems Lu » Fri, 07 Sep 2001 23:24:38




Quote:> Linux Users:

> I am working on a machine which has no IDE CD-ROM in it, but has a BIOS
> which allows you to boot up off a USB CD-ROM. I successfully boot up off
the
> CD-ROM using Mandrake 8.0, but then it gets to a certain point (after
doing
> all the hardware indentification and it puts the title "Welcome to
> Linux-Mandrake") where it says:

> Running install...
> Welcome to Linux-Mandrake (8.0) Apr 18 2001 10:16:16
> Please wait: Trying to access a CD-ROM disc (drive (none))
> > I can't access a Linux-Mandrake Installation disc in your CD-ROM drive
> ((none)).
> Retry?
> (0) Yes
> (1) No
> (2) Back
> ?

> What can I do (by putting some command line arguments on the "linux
> hda=?????" line)?

> Can I custom burn a new CD-ROM with other drivers in the kernel?

> By the way, if you do know about how to burn custom installation CD-ROM,
I'd
> appreciate knowing that, as I would like to add some programs to what
> Linux-Mandrake loads into the ramdisk when it boots up in rescue mode. I
> would like to add some programs to the /bin it created when it builds the
> ramdisk it runs from. I would also like to increase the size of the
ramdisk
> it creates.
> As well, I would like to also have the kernel have some additional drivers
> built into it for rescue mode (i.e., 1394 stuff).

> What choices do I have to do my install from a USB drive. Now please, dont
> tell me to use a different CD-ROM, tell me how I can make what I have
work.

> Stuart
> Beverly Hills, CA, USA

To be able to use USB-CDrom devices you need to load the module
usb-storage.o

Note that this module only works for usb devices like camera's and the 250Mb
USB ZIP drive.
USB-CDrom drives are recognized but as soon as you start reading from it, it
crashes the whole system. Including the kernel.

If you don't have another CDrom device to boot from, you're screwed.

 
 
 

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