Help needed: connecting to Sprint Canada

Help needed: connecting to Sprint Canada

Post by Elvis Che » Wed, 31 Dec 1997 04:00:00



greeting to all:

my apology if my question has appeared in this newsgroup, but I need quick
answer:

My current ISP is Sprint Canada - The Most On-Line.  To connect to it in
Win95, all I need to do is to enter my username and password in the
"Connect to" dial-box, *WITH NO SCRIPT*, and it will dial out and verify
the password/userid automatically.

my question is:  since there is no script for win95 connection, exactly
what is transmitted to establish the connection?  In other words, if I
want to use linux and, say, xisp to establish a PPP connection, what xisp
dialog do I need to create so it will successfully connect?

I have tried to connect by telix/minicom, and tried to type in my
userid/passwd manually.  It didn't work as it says I have entered a wrong
password:  I guess there is some encryption win95 uses?

And I triied to call the tech-support... guess what, "We don't support
Linux, sorry" :)  oh well...

any help is very much appreciated,

Elvis

 
 
 

Help needed: connecting to Sprint Canada

Post by Alex Buel » Thu, 01 Jan 1998 04:00:00



> Elvis

You're Elvis?!?! :o)

Cheers,
Alex
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Help needed: connecting to Sprint Canada

Post by David Halliwel » Thu, 01 Jan 1998 04:00:00



>my apology if my question has appeared in this newsgroup, but I need quick
>answer:

   It has once that I know of, but it hasn't been asked frequently.

Quote:>My current ISP is Sprint Canada - The Most On-Line.  To connect to it in
>Win95, all I need to do is to enter my username and password in the
>"Connect to" dial-box, *WITH NO SCRIPT*, and it will dial out and verify
>the password/userid automatically.

   One of the Windoze options is to turn on a log for the PPP connection.
I can't remember how to do it at the moment (and I'm in linux), but
once you do it you will be able to confirm in the PPPLOG.TXT file
that Windoze and Sprint are using PAP authentification.

Quote:>my question is:  since there is no script for win95 connection, exactly
>what is transmitted to establish the connection?  In other words, if I
>want to use linux and, say, xisp to establish a PPP connection, what xisp
>dialog do I need to create so it will successfully connect?

   In Linux, the way I have set it up is with a chat script to do the
dialing (I wrote a script that will call chat to redial if a busy signal
occurs). The dialing script is called by pppd - i.e., you specify the
command to use for dialing as an argument to pppd, in the script file you
use to set up your ppp connection. The key line in my ppp-on script
is:

exec /usr/sbin/pppd connect '/etc/ppp/sprint-dial' \
        user dhalliwell defaultroute 115200 /dev/modem asyncmap 0

   pppd will handle the PAP authentification itself: you do not need
to set up your account name or password in the chat script. Do man pppd
to find out how to set up pppd with a pap-secrets file. In the above
call to pppd, the "user dhalliwell" argument tells pppd which name
to use from the pap-secrets file. No, I won't tell you my password. :-)
The /etc/ppp/sprint-dial argument is my script for redialing. The
typical example given in most other places makes a direct call
to chat (with the name of a script file). My script does the
call to chat on its own.

   I expect that you could try a manual dialing, then manually
run pppd with the appropriate PAP setup to try it, before completing
any scripts to automate it.

   Eventually, I want to set up diald to use it, but it is still
a ways down on my list of things to do.

Quote:>I have tried to connect by telix/minicom, and tried to type in my
>userid/passwd manually.  It didn't work as it says I have entered a wrong
>password:  I guess there is some encryption win95 uses?

   As I said: just PAP.

Quote:>And I triied to call the tech-support... guess what, "We don't support
>Linux, sorry" :)  oh well...

   No surprise, although at least they haven't set things up in a fashion
that prevents one from using other operating systems. When I called to
have them send me their CD, I asked about other OSes (knowing that I would
want to use linux), and the tech support fellow said that they could
provide me with the DNS server, etc. so that I could set it up myself.
At least they seem to be aware that other OSes exist and can work, even if
they are unwilling to help!

   ...and (of course) that's why you need net access... ;-)

Quote:>any help is very much appreciated,

   If you have any further questions, feel free to ask. Happy Gnu Year.

--
David Halliwell                                Edmonton, Alberta
I've tried to despam my headings, so try one of the following if needed:
This account:                           dhalliwell [at] sprint [dot] ca
Preferred email: dhalliwe [at] freenet [dot] edmonton [dot] ab [dot] ca

 
 
 

Help needed: connecting to Sprint Canada

Post by Hartmann Schaffe » Thu, 01 Jan 1998 04:00:00



> ...
> >My current ISP is Sprint Canada - The Most On-Line.  To connect to it in
> >Win95, all I need to do is to enter my username and password in the
> >"Connect to" dial-box, *WITH NO SCRIPT*, and it will dial out and verify
> >the password/userid automatically.

>    One of the Windoze options is to turn on a log for the PPP connection.
> I can't remember how to do it at the moment (and I'm in linux), but
> once you do it you will be able to confirm in the PPPLOG.TXT file
> that Windoze and Sprint are using PAP authentification.

The point is that when you dial in, you have to go through a connect
protocol the lets the ISP machine know your user name, password, and
which serial line IP protocol you want to use (unless the ISP supports
only one protocol), and at which point you have to switch your machine
into this seial line protocol.  Only your ISP knows the answers.

Quote:> ...
>    Eventually, I want to set up diald to use it, but it is still
> a ways down on my list of things to do.

I have it working with diald (to netcom, though).  Works like a charm,
though I found it useful to install a caching name server on my home
network.

Quote:> >I have tried to connect by telix/minicom, and tried to type in my
> >userid/passwd manually.  It didn't work as it says I have entered a wrong
> >password:  I guess there is some encryption win95 uses?

>    As I said: just PAP.

Not necessarily; cf below

Quote:> >And I triied to call the tech-support... guess what, "We don't support
> >Linux, sorry" :)  oh well...

>    No surprise, although at least they haven't set things up in a fashion
> that prevents one from using other operating systems. When I called to
> have them send me their CD, I asked about other OSes (knowing that I would
> want to use linux), and the tech support fellow said that they could
> provide me with the DNS server, etc. so that I could set it up myself.
> At least they seem to be aware that other OSes exist and can work, even if
> they are unwilling to help!
> ...

Seems to be a general tendencies among ISPs to set up the connection
software and the use cheap "support" people who know nothing but "Go to
window A, start application B, pusch button C".  I had the same problem
when I had to move to netcom.  The proper response would have been "so
you do NOT support TCP/IP?".  Next time insist on speaking to somebody
who knows the connection protocol and a few things about TCP/IP (in my
case it turned out that the response to the login: prompt had to be a
little bit more than just the user id

--

-------------------------------------------------------------------------

Hartmann Schaffer
Guelph, Ontario, Canada

 
 
 

Help needed: connecting to Sprint Canada

Post by David Halliwel » Fri, 02 Jan 1998 04:00:00




>> ...
>> >My current ISP is Sprint Canada - The Most On-Line.  To connect to it in
>> >Win95, all I need to do is to enter my username and password in the
>> >"Connect to" dial-box, *WITH NO SCRIPT*, and it will dial out and verify
>> >the password/userid automatically.

>>    One of the Windoze options is to turn on a log for the PPP connection.
>> I can't remember how to do it at the moment (and I'm in linux), but
>> once you do it you will be able to confirm in the PPPLOG.TXT file
>> that Windoze and Sprint are using PAP authentification.
>The point is that when you dial in, you have to go through a connect
>protocol the lets the ISP machine know your user name, password, and
>which serial line IP protocol you want to use (unless the ISP supports
>only one protocol), and at which point you have to switch your machine
>into this seial line protocol.  Only your ISP knows the answers.

   Wrong. As I stated, it is possible to turn on logging in Windoze, and
from the log file you can see for yourself whether the connection has
been made with PAP, CHAP, etc. (Windoze supports several).

   If you know your machine, it is quite possible to find out what is
going on even if your ISP representative can't help you.

Quote:>> ...
>>    Eventually, I want to set up diald to use it, but it is still
>> a ways down on my list of things to do.
>I have it working with diald (to netcom, though).  Works like a charm,
>though I found it useful to install a caching name server on my home
>network.
>> >I have tried to connect by telix/minicom, and tried to type in my
>> >userid/passwd manually.  It didn't work as it says I have entered a wrong
>> >password:  I guess there is some encryption win95 uses?

>>    As I said: just PAP.
>Not necessarily; cf below

   Read the title of the thread, and read _everything_ I wrote above.
He's not asking about ISPs in general, he's asking about Sprint Canada
in particular. Unless they use different methods in different parts
of the country (which would surprise me), then Sprint Canada uses
PAP. I'm connected right now. I used PAP. I don't need to phone my
ISP to ask them, either. I gave the poster a way of _checking_, and
I told what to expect to find.

[deletia]

Quote:>> ...
>Seems to be a general tendencies among ISPs to set up the connection
>software and the use cheap "support" people who know nothing but "Go to
>window A, start application B, pusch button C".  I had the same problem
>when I had to move to netcom.  The proper response would have been "so
>you do NOT support TCP/IP?".  Next time insist on speaking to somebody
>who knows the connection protocol and a few things about TCP/IP (in my
>case it turned out that the response to the login: prompt had to be a
>little bit more than just the user id

   People that know more are a lot less likely to be willing to work
long hours on a help desk for low wages. The poeple that know the ins
and outs of the system are much more likely to be spending time
configuring it and keeping it running than talking to people on the
phone (who _mostly_ can't figure out which window or button to use).

   It's life. The alternative is to learn about your own system,
and one way to do this is to ask on the net as the original poster did.

--
David Halliwell                                Edmonton, Alberta
I've tried to despam my headings, so try one of the following if needed:
This account:                           dhalliwell [at] sprint [dot] ca
Preferred email: dhalliwe [at] freenet [dot] edmonton [dot] ab [dot] ca