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> We have about 40 or so clients running our application (VME/databasic
> based) on D3/NT (and another 20 or so on AP/PRO).

> The problem we are experiencing is that some of our clients
occasionally
> forget to shutdown the VME before they shutdown Windows.  This often
> trashes their data and we have to get them to restore from their last
> backup (if they've remembered to do one!!).  Whilst we can get round
> this it's still a pain in the backside and wastes a lot of support
time.

> Obviously, there is nothing anyone can do about those clients that
just
> reach for the switch and don't even bother shutting down Windows
> properly (except possibly to amputate their fingers), but I would have
> thought that D3 might have anticipated this problem and done more to
try
> to solve it.  The D3VME does attempt to shut itself down properly but
> doesn't seem to succeed.

> Up to now we have been using the useful utility from Pick Systems
France
> (D3Tray) which has helped a lot.  However, this only works if the
> Windows shutdown comes from a user who is logged on to Windows (as
> D3Tray is in the system tray), and doesn't help if the shutdown option
> is taken at the Windows NT logon dialog.  There is also the problem
that
> a combination of D3Tray (our version at least) and nt4sp6a blows the
> whole thing up.

> I vaguely remember seeing something posted here about a shutdown delay
> setting in the registry (for D3).  Can anyone enlighten me on this?
Or
> does someone have a different way of getting round this problem?

> By the way, all our clients are running D3 service pack 280 (we aren't
> about to risk upgrading them all to anything more recent until we've
> checked it out thoroughly ourselves).

> Any help would be appreciated.
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> John Lewis                        +   Telephone: +44 (0)1285 861874
> Cerney Computer Services Ltd.     +   Fax:       +44 (0)1285 862688

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> We have about 40 or so clients running our application (VME/databasic
> based) on D3/NT (and another 20 or so on AP/PRO).

> The problem we are experiencing is that some of our clients occasionally
> forget to shutdown the VME before they shutdown Windows.  This often
> trashes their data and we have to get them to restore from their last
> backup (if they've remembered to do one!!).  Whilst we can get round
> this it's still a pain in the backside and wastes a lot of support time.

> Obviously, there is nothing anyone can do about those clients that just
> reach for the switch and don't even bother shutting down Windows
> properly (except possibly to amputate their fingers), but I would have
> thought that D3 might have anticipated this problem and done more to try
> to solve it.  The D3VME does attempt to shut itself down properly but
> doesn't seem to succeed.

> Up to now we have been using the useful utility from Pick Systems France
> (D3Tray) which has helped a lot.  However, this only works if the
> Windows shutdown comes from a user who is logged on to Windows (as
> D3Tray is in the system tray), and doesn't help if the shutdown option
> is taken at the Windows NT logon dialog.  There is also the problem that
> a combination of D3Tray (our version at least) and nt4sp6a blows the
> whole thing up.

> I vaguely remember seeing something posted here about a shutdown delay
> setting in the registry (for D3).  Can anyone enlighten me on this?  Or
> does someone have a different way of getting round this problem?

> By the way, all our clients are running D3 service pack 280 (we aren't
> about to risk upgrading them all to anything more recent until we've
> checked it out thoroughly ourselves).

> Any help would be appreciated.
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> John Lewis                        +   Telephone: +44 (0)1285 861874
> Cerney Computer Services Ltd.     +   Fax:       +44 (0)1285 862688

> ----------------------------------------------------------------------

> The problem we are experiencing is that some of our clients occasionally
> forget to shutdown the VME before they shutdown Windows.
> Any help would be appreciated.
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> John Lewis                        +   Telephone: +44 (0)1285 861874
> Cerney Computer Services Ltd.     +   Fax:       +44 (0)1285 862688

> ----------------------------------------------------------------------

>There is a wonderful utility known as D3Tray. It's available at

>ftp://ftp.picksys.com/pub/from.pick/D3Tray271.exe

>or

>ftp://ftp.appcom.ru/pub/PickSystems/D3NT/D3Utils/D3Tray271.exe

>This utility is absolutely amazing, it allows to start/stop D3/NT servers
>remotely all over your network. And, when you shutdown NT, it looks after
>proper D3 shutdown. Many thanks to Pierre Trinephi from Pick Systems, who as
>far as I believe is a major contibutor in the development of this tiny but
>useful attraction.

>Nick

>> Hi folks,

>> The problem we are experiencing is that some of our clients occasionally
>> forget to shutdown the VME before they shutdown Windows.
>> Any help would be appreciated.
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>> John Lewis                        +   Telephone: +44 (0)1285 861874
>> Cerney Computer Services Ltd.     +   Fax:       +44 (0)1285 862688

>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------

> We have about 40 or so clients running our application (VME/databasic
> based) on D3/NT (and another 20 or so on AP/PRO).

> The problem we are experiencing is that some of our clients
occasionally
> forget to shutdown the VME before they shutdown Windows.  This often
> trashes their data and we have to get them to restore from their last
> backup (if they've remembered to do one!!).  Whilst we can get round
> this it's still a pain in the backside and wastes a lot of support
time.

> Obviously, there is nothing anyone can do about those clients that
just
> reach for the switch and don't even bother shutting down Windows
> properly (except possibly to amputate their fingers), but I would have
> thought that D3 might have anticipated this problem and done more to
try
> to solve it.  The D3VME does attempt to shut itself down properly but
> doesn't seem to succeed.

> Up to now we have been using the useful utility from Pick Systems
France
> (D3Tray) which has helped a lot.  However, this only works if the
> Windows shutdown comes from a user who is logged on to Windows (as
> D3Tray is in the system tray), and doesn't help if the shutdown option
> is taken at the Windows NT logon dialog.  There is also the problem
that
> a combination of D3Tray (our version at least) and nt4sp6a blows the
> whole thing up.

> I vaguely remember seeing something posted here about a shutdown delay
> setting in the registry (for D3).  Can anyone enlighten me on this?
Or
> does someone have a different way of getting round this problem?

> By the way, all our clients are running D3 service pack 280 (we aren't
> about to risk upgrading them all to anything more recent until we've
> checked it out thoroughly ourselves).

> Any help would be appreciated.
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> John Lewis                        +   Telephone: +44 (0)1285 861874
> Cerney Computer Services Ltd.     +   Fax:       +44 (0)1285 862688

> ----------------------------------------------------------------------

> All our sites are tiny (max 10 users - average 3 users - several
single
> user) and they all have no money (stupid market to get into huh?!) so
> for many of them, they don't have a separate 'server' as such.  They
run
> happily on NT Workstation (as the D3 Server) with a peer-to-peer
network
> if they have more than one machine.  We are not talking big setups
with
> loads of IT staff (most don't have _any_ IT staff).

> Most of them are in offices which their 'regulations' (ie the
landlord)
> stipulates that all electrical items are to be switched off (if not
> unplugged from the wall) overnight.

> The sites that do leave their systems on tend not to have any
problems.

> I may be over-doing this - we get about one 'incorrect shutdown'
every 2
> or 3 weeks - so it's not a _massive_ problem - it's just annoying.

> With this being the only exception, we have found D3/NT to be _VERY_
> stable and are more than happy with it.

deja.com>
> writes
> >Is there a reason that your clients are shutting down NT?

> >Of the several networks I manage no one is even allowed to turn on
the
> >screen of the NT box without good reason, let alone power it down.
The
> >NT box is NOT used as a client to D3 so it never has a person using
it
> >except for administration, backups etc.   They have all been happily
> >chugging away for about 4 years now without any problems, never being
> >powered down.

> >On the other hand, if your talking about clients in the respect that
> >they are clients to the D3/NT box with a vme on each windows machine
I
> >can understand your problem.  However, I have never put a vme on any
> >machine other than the NT box on a network, unless it was a
programmers
> >development machine.

> >Anyway, NT never gets shut down, D3 never gets shut down. Everyone is
> >happy.  Any chance you can do that?

> >Mark
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> John Lewis                        +   Telephone: +44 (0)1285 861874
> Cerney Computer Services Ltd.     +   Fax:       +44 (0)1285 862688

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