Open Ingres 1.2: NT or Unixware?

Open Ingres 1.2: NT or Unixware?

Post by Jame » Thu, 23 Apr 1998 04:00:00



Does anyone know if there are any performance issues with running
Openingres 1.2 on NT compared to Unixware?  

We have been developing a new database system using Openingres1.2/OpenRoad
using Unixware as the operating system, but are concidering taking it over
to a server running NT.  Any advice would be welcome.

James Prince

 
 
 

Open Ingres 1.2: NT or Unixware?

Post by Ian McEwa » Thu, 23 Apr 1998 04:00:00




>> Does anyone know if there are any performance issues with running
>> Openingres 1.2 on NT compared to Unixware?  

>> We have been developing a new database system using Openingres1.2/OpenRoad
>> using Unixware as the operating system, but are concidering taking it over
>> to a server running NT.  Any advice would be welcome.

>> James Prince

>You will need:

>  1) More memory
>  2) Twice as much CPU power
>  3) More patience
>  4) More time, so give up a hobby or two

>I assume you are doing this to be on a mainstream platform.  Might I
>suggest Solaris x86?  Or possibly a full blown SPARC with Solaris?

>The new SPARCs are very affordable, and they live longer.  Most SPARC
>systems built after 1991 are still being used today.  Most PC's built
>before 1995 have been melted down.  Why would that be?

Hey Mike,

This could explain why Compaq, and not Sun, could afford to buy Digital.

Regards

Ian.

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Open Ingres 1.2: NT or Unixware?

Post by Michael Le » Fri, 24 Apr 1998 04:00:00



> Does anyone know if there are any performance issues with running
> Openingres 1.2 on NT compared to Unixware?  

> We have been developing a new database system using Openingres1.2/OpenRoad
> using Unixware as the operating system, but are concidering taking it over
> to a server running NT.  Any advice would be welcome.

> James Prince

You will need:

  1) More memory
  2) Twice as much CPU power
  3) More patience
  4) More time, so give up a hobby or two

I assume you are doing this to be on a mainstream platform.  Might I
suggest Solaris x86?  Or possibly a full blown SPARC with Solaris?

The new SPARCs are very affordable, and they live longer.  Most SPARC
systems built after 1991 are still being used today.  Most PC's built
before 1995 have been melted down.  Why would that be?

Cheers,


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Open Ingres 1.2: NT or Unixware?

Post by Armand Pirv » Fri, 24 Apr 1998 04:00:00


If planning to move on NT, use NTFS file systems on SCSI disks. I also
suggest to use a biprocessor machine, since OpenIngres can take
advantage of this.

To be very honnest with you, I would stay on Unix.

Cheers,
Armand

> -----Original Message-----

> Sent:      Wednesday, April 22, 1998 9:17 PM

> Subject:   Open Ingres 1.2:  NT or Unixware?

> Does anyone know if there are any performance issues with running
> Openingres 1.2 on NT compared to Unixware?  

> We have been developing a new database system using
> Openingres1.2/OpenRoad
> using Unixware as the operating system, but are concidering taking it
> over
> to a server running NT.  Any advice would be welcome.

> James Prince

 
 
 

Open Ingres 1.2: NT or Unixware?

Post by Lucky Leavel » Sat, 25 Apr 1998 04:00:00



> Does anyone know if there are any performance issues with running
> Openingres 1.2 on NT compared to Unixware?  

> We have been developing a new database system using Openingres1.2/OpenRoad
> using Unixware as the operating system, but are concidering taking it over
> to a server running NT.  Any advice would be welcome.

If performance is an issue and price is not: UnixWare, otherwise SCO
OpenServer Release 5.  (UW is considered a Class 2 machine by CA-Ingres
and hence costs 2.5 times as much for licenses on the same hardware!)

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        are on a CPM box or a Cray. Per user pricing should really be
        per user pricing and not gouge users for using more expensive
        or faster hardware or OS.
[Soapbox OFF]

In a test I saw, a RDBMS (not OI) was tested on identical hardware
(Compaq, 4 CPUs, if I recall) using UnixWare, OpenServer, NT and OS/2.
The results: (sorry, I don't remember the units)

        UnixWare        35
        OpenServer      28
        NT              25
        OS2             21

and the new UnixWare 7 is even faster, though not yet supported by OI.

Thank you,
Lucky

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Open Ingres 1.2: NT or Unixware?

Post by Wolfgang Oellinge » Tue, 28 Apr 1998 04:00:00



> Does anyone know if there are any performance issues with running
> Openingres 1.2 on NT compared to Unixware?

> We have been developing a new database system using Openingres1.2/OpenRoad
> using Unixware as the operating system, but are concidering taking it over
> to a server running NT.  Any advice would be welcome.

> James Prince

If it is a 7x24 shop I would stronly advice against NT . You have to
reboot
NT quite often after making small changes in the configuration. And if
you
use the machine for other services besides the DB server (ok, maybe not
a
very good idea) it too likes to be rebooted once in a while.

Wolfgang Oellinger

 
 
 

Open Ingres 1.2: NT or Unixware?

Post by holge » Tue, 28 Apr 1998 04:00:00




> ?
> ? Does anyone know if there are any performance issues with running
> ? Openingres 1.2 on NT compared to Unixware?
> ?
> ? We have been developing a new database system using Openingres1.2/OpenRoad
> ? using Unixware as the operating system, but are concidering taking it over
> ? to a server running NT.  Any advice would be welcome.
> ?
> ? James Prince

> If it is a 7x24 shop I would stronly advice against NT .

I can't agree with you, Wolfgang. "I would stronly advice against NT"
in ANY case ! WinNT have strange and complex API. There is no
robust command processor like ksh/bash/csh in WinNT. There is no
remote access. And memory protection is rather poor ...

Quote:> You have to
> reboot
> NT quite often after making small changes in the configuration. And if
> you
> use the machine for other services besides the DB server (ok, maybe not
> a
> very good idea) it too likes to be rebooted once in a while.

> Wolfgang Oellinger

--
Oleg Moscalenko
Bank MENATEP

 
 
 

Open Ingres 1.2: NT or Unixware?

Post by Michael Le » Wed, 29 Apr 1998 04:00:00





> > ?
> > ? Does anyone know if there are any performance issues with running
> > ? Openingres 1.2 on NT compared to Unixware?
> > ?
> > ? We have been developing a new database system using Openingres1.2/OpenRoad
> > ? using Unixware as the operating system, but are concidering taking it over
> > ? to a server running NT.  Any advice would be welcome.
> > ?
> > ? James Prince

> > If it is a 7x24 shop I would stronly advice against NT .

> I can't agree with you, Wolfgang. "I would stronly advice against NT"
> in ANY case ! WinNT have strange and complex API. There is no
> robust command processor like ksh/bash/csh in WinNT. There is no
> remote access. And memory protection is rather poor ...

> > You have to
> > reboot
> > NT quite often after making small changes in the configuration. And if
> > you
> > use the machine for other services besides the DB server (ok, maybe not
> > a
> > very good idea) it too likes to be rebooted once in a while.

> > Wolfgang Oellinger

> --
> Oleg Moscalenko
> Bank MENATEP


A troll obviously targeted at Karl and me ;-}

Actually, I think NT would be almost usable.  I do indeed use telnet
servers and PC Anywhere over the Internet to easily achieve remote
access.  And I use bash from the Cygnus toolset just fine.

The most stupid thing is that if you change ANYTHING that requires
the Windows NT disk be inserted and copied from, you must re-apply
service packs.  There are scenarios that turn this process into hours
even when you use VERY FAST, fully supported hardware.  

This is what truly sucks.

Oh, and NT threads are as heavy as Solaris processes.  What can you
expect from the person who designed VMS, the world-record holder of the
"huge processes from hell" title.


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