Sybase Quick reference book

Sybase Quick reference book

Post by Palsi » Wed, 15 Nov 2000 10:46:15



Sybase used to publish a small book with all the command syntax in it which
improved my productivity does anyone know why sybase stopped publishing it.

It was very popular with the dba's and developers and a nice book to keep next
to your computer.

The book i am referring to used to come with the sybase software,  it was not
there with the 11.9 and 12 version releases.

if sybase takes a review with the customers they will find out that most of the
customers would like to have it back.

I still use the older 11x version of the Quick reference book wondering why
this was stopped ?

 
 
 

Sybase Quick reference book

Post by dale_k.. » Wed, 15 Nov 2000 14:14:30


i have heard unconfirmed reports that they don't make them anymore, but
i hope that's just the sybase marketing machine at their best ;-). more
often that not, our software comes without the guide nor the system
tables map. next best thing, check out Rob Vershoor's page at
http://www.sypron.nl/ase_qref.html. he has kindly made available a
current quick ref guide.

can anyone confirm that the official sybase quick ref guides have been
discontinued? sometimes i feel i should be down at the black market
looking for sybase resources.

dale kerr
melbourne, australia.



Quote:> Sybase used to publish a small book with all the command syntax in it
which
> improved my productivity does anyone know why sybase stopped
publishing it.

> It was very popular with the dba's and developers and a nice book to
keep next
> to your computer.

> The book i am referring to used to come with the sybase software,  it
was not
> there with the 11.9 and 12 version releases.

> if sybase takes a review with the customers they will find out that
most of the
> customers would like to have it back.

> I still use the older 11x version of the Quick reference book
wondering why
> this was stopped ?

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Sybase Quick reference book

Post by Rob Verschoo » Wed, 15 Nov 2000 04:00:00


I don't know why Sybase have discontinued their Quick Ref guide; it
seemed quite a useful thing. However, I think it was still lacking a
lot of essential information that you still need in practice -- this
is how my own ASE QuickRef supplement developed (as Dale mentioned,
you can download this for free from
http://www.sypron.nl/ase_qref.html).
I am currently working on a full ASE QuickRef Guide in the same
fashion , i.e. *all* commands, procedures and other stuff you need.
The plan is to publish this commercially (you don't want to know how
much time this has cost already...), but the current free download
version (though significantly incomplete), will remain available.
I'm currently finalising the latest editorial work, and I hope it can
be available within a few months. I'll let you know..

Regards,

Rob
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Rob Verschoor

Certified Sybase Professional DBA for ASE 12.0
Certified Sybase Professional DBA/SQL Developer for ASE 11.5
Certified DBA/Performance & Tuning Specialist for Sybase System 11


WWW  http://www.sypron.nl
snail Sypron B.V., P.O.Box 10695, 2501HR Den Haag, The Netherlands
----------------------------------------------------------------------


> i have heard unconfirmed reports that they don't make them anymore,
but
> i hope that's just the sybase marketing machine at their best ;-).
more
> often that not, our software comes without the guide nor the system
> tables map. next best thing, check out Rob Vershoor's page at
> http://www.sypron.nl/ase_qref.html. he has kindly made available a
> current quick ref guide.

> can anyone confirm that the official sybase quick ref guides have
been
> discontinued? sometimes i feel i should be down at the black market
> looking for sybase resources.

> dale kerr
> melbourne, australia.



> > Sybase used to publish a small book with all the command syntax in
it
> which
> > improved my productivity does anyone know why sybase stopped
> publishing it.

> > It was very popular with the dba's and developers and a nice book
to
> keep next
> > to your computer.

> > The book i am referring to used to come with the sybase software,
it
> was not
> > there with the 11.9 and 12 version releases.

> > if sybase takes a review with the customers they will find out
that
> most of the
> > customers would like to have it back.

> > I still use the older 11x version of the Quick reference book
> wondering why
> > this was stopped ?

> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> Before you buy.

 
 
 

Sybase Quick reference book

Post by dalek.. » Thu, 16 Nov 2000 04:00:00


found this in the What's New in Sybase Adaptive Server Enterprise?
manual. Under Chapter 2 System Changes in Adaptive Server Version 12,
Changes to the Documentation, it states:

"The Adaptive Server documentation set no longer includes the following
documents:
...
 * Quick Reference Card"

that seems like confirmation of the death of our little friend.

dale kerr
melbourne, australia



> I don't know why Sybase have discontinued their Quick Ref guide; it
> seemed quite a useful thing. However, I think it was still lacking a
> lot of essential information that you still need in practice -- this
> is how my own ASE QuickRef supplement developed (as Dale mentioned,
> you can download this for free from
> http://www.sypron.nl/ase_qref.html).
> I am currently working on a full ASE QuickRef Guide in the same
> fashion , i.e. *all* commands, procedures and other stuff you need.
> The plan is to publish this commercially (you don't want to know how
> much time this has cost already...), but the current free download
> version (though significantly incomplete), will remain available.
> I'm currently finalising the latest editorial work, and I hope it can
> be available within a few months. I'll let you know..

> Regards,

> Rob
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> Rob Verschoor

> Certified Sybase Professional DBA for ASE 12.0
> Certified Sybase Professional DBA/SQL Developer for ASE 11.5
> Certified DBA/Performance & Tuning Specialist for Sybase System 11


> WWW  http://www.sypron.nl
> snail Sypron B.V., P.O.Box 10695, 2501HR Den Haag, The Netherlands
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------



> > i have heard unconfirmed reports that they don't make them anymore,
> but
> > i hope that's just the sybase marketing machine at their best ;-).
> more
> > often that not, our software comes without the guide nor the system
> > tables map. next best thing, check out Rob Vershoor's page at
> > http://www.sypron.nl/ase_qref.html. he has kindly made available a
> > current quick ref guide.

> > can anyone confirm that the official sybase quick ref guides have
> been
> > discontinued? sometimes i feel i should be down at the black market
> > looking for sybase resources.

> > dale kerr
> > melbourne, australia.



> > > Sybase used to publish a small book with all the command syntax in
> it
> > which
> > > improved my productivity does anyone know why sybase stopped
> > publishing it.

> > > It was very popular with the dba's and developers and a nice book
> to
> > keep next
> > > to your computer.

> > > The book i am referring to used to come with the sybase software,
> it
> > was not
> > > there with the 11.9 and 12 version releases.

> > > if sybase takes a review with the customers they will find out
> that
> > most of the
> > > customers would like to have it back.

> > > I still use the older 11x version of the Quick reference book
> > wondering why
> > > this was stopped ?

> > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> > Before you buy.

Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
 
 
 

Sybase Quick reference book

Post by Palsi » Fri, 17 Nov 2000 10:20:57


It is fine if the marketing reps think it is better not supplying it with the
sybase software.... but why cant sybase maintain it in their products catalog.
I dont think the cost of keeping the quick reference book updated is high.

http://www.sypron.nl/ase_qref.html was the site which came up when i gave a
search for sybase quick reference.

Thanks for the update dale and rob
                              Siva

 
 
 

Sybase Quick reference book

Post by Mike Pickar » Tue, 21 Nov 2000 04:00:00


I have version 12 of the Sybase Quick Reference guide in front of me now...

so they *are* still published :)


> i have heard unconfirmed reports that they don't make them anymore, but
> i hope that's just the sybase marketing machine at their best ;-). more
> often that not, our software comes without the guide nor the system
> tables map. next best thing, check out Rob Vershoor's page at
> http://www.sypron.nl/ase_qref.html. he has kindly made available a
> current quick ref guide.

> can anyone confirm that the official sybase quick ref guides have been
> discontinued? sometimes i feel i should be down at the black market
> looking for sybase resources.

> dale kerr
> melbourne, australia.



> > Sybase used to publish a small book with all the command syntax in it
> which
> > improved my productivity does anyone know why sybase stopped
> publishing it.

> > It was very popular with the dba's and developers and a nice book to
> keep next
> > to your computer.

> > The book i am referring to used to come with the sybase software,  it
> was not
> > there with the 11.9 and 12 version releases.

> > if sybase takes a review with the customers they will find out that
> most of the
> > customers would like to have it back.

> > I still use the older 11x version of the Quick reference book
> wondering why
> > this was stopped ?

> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> Before you buy.

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Post by Rob Verschoo » Tue, 21 Nov 2000 04:00:00


I have heard (unconfirmed) rumours that Sybase's QuickRef Card might
be reinstated for ASE 12.5. However, this will still be the same thing
as before, with only a very limited amount of information, presented
in a not-very-useable way.

How did you get your version 12 copy ?

Regards,

Rob
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Rob Verschoor

Certified Sybase Professional DBA for ASE 12.0
Certified Sybase Professional DBA/SQL Developer for ASE 11.5
Certified DBA/Performance & Tuning Specialist for Sybase System 11


WWW  http://www.sypron.nl
snail Sypron B.V., P.O.Box 10695, 2501HR Den Haag, The Netherlands
----------------------------------------------------------------------


> I have version 12 of the Sybase Quick Reference guide in front of me
now...

> so they *are* still published :)


> > i have heard unconfirmed reports that they don't make them
anymore, but
> > i hope that's just the sybase marketing machine at their best ;-).
more
> > often that not, our software comes without the guide nor the
system
> > tables map. next best thing, check out Rob Vershoor's page at
> > http://www.sypron.nl/ase_qref.html. he has kindly made available a
> > current quick ref guide.

> > can anyone confirm that the official sybase quick ref guides have
been
> > discontinued? sometimes i feel i should be down at the black
market
> > looking for sybase resources.

> > dale kerr
> > melbourne, australia.



> > > Sybase used to publish a small book with all the command syntax
in it
> > which
> > > improved my productivity does anyone know why sybase stopped
> > publishing it.

> > > It was very popular with the dba's and developers and a nice
book to
> > keep next
> > > to your computer.

> > > The book i am referring to used to come with the sybase
software,  it
> > was not
> > > there with the 11.9 and 12 version releases.

> > > if sybase takes a review with the customers they will find out
that
> > most of the
> > > customers would like to have it back.

> > > I still use the older 11x version of the Quick reference book
> > wondering why
> > > this was stopped ?

> > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> > Before you buy.

> --
> Michael Pickard,
> Developer, NettGain Solutions Ltd.
> Williams House, Manchester Science Park, Manchester, M15 6SE, United
> Kingdom.
> www.mandoforms.com

> DISCLAIMER: This e-mail contains proprietary information some or all
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Sybase Quick reference book

Post by dale_k.. » Tue, 21 Nov 2000 04:00:00


mike,

that's good news i guess. problem is, that for the most part, it's
merely supposition when it comes to sybase. i mean, their marketing
isn't the greatest now is it? and that starts right from the CEO down.
considering that you can request multiple copies of ASE 12.0, and never
once receive a system tables map nor a quick ref map, what is one to
think?

dale kerr
melbourne, australia

ps. thanks mike for restoring the faith ...

pps. do you have a sybase part number, as found on the back of the 11.5
quick ref guide?



> I have version 12 of the Sybase Quick Reference guide in front of me
now...

> so they *are* still published :)


> > i have heard unconfirmed reports that they don't make them anymore,
but
> > i hope that's just the sybase marketing machine at their best ;-).
more
> > often that not, our software comes without the guide nor the system
> > tables map. next best thing, check out Rob Vershoor's page at
> > http://www.sypron.nl/ase_qref.html. he has kindly made available a
> > current quick ref guide.

> > can anyone confirm that the official sybase quick ref guides have
been
> > discontinued? sometimes i feel i should be down at the black market
> > looking for sybase resources.

> > dale kerr
> > melbourne, australia.



> > > Sybase used to publish a small book with all the command syntax
in it
> > which
> > > improved my productivity does anyone know why sybase stopped
> > publishing it.

> > > It was very popular with the dba's and developers and a nice book
to
> > keep next
> > > to your computer.

> > > The book i am referring to used to come with the sybase
software,  it
> > was not
> > > there with the 11.9 and 12 version releases.

> > > if sybase takes a review with the customers they will find out
that
> > most of the
> > > customers would like to have it back.

> > > I still use the older 11x version of the Quick reference book
> > wondering why
> > > this was stopped ?

> > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> > Before you buy.

> --
> Michael Pickard,
> Developer, NettGain Solutions Ltd.
> Williams House, Manchester Science Park, Manchester, M15 6SE, United
> Kingdom.
> www.mandoforms.com

> DISCLAIMER: This e-mail contains proprietary information some or all
of
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> an addressing or transmission error has misdirected this e-mail,
please
> notify the author by replying to this e-mail.  If you are not the
intended
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Sybase Quick reference book

Post by Mike Pickar » Wed, 22 Nov 2000 04:00:00



> you can request multiple copies of ASE 12.0, and never
> once receive a system tables map nor a quick ref map, what is one to
> think?

Hmmm..
My copy of 12.0 came with a system tables map.

FWIW: I got the quick ref guide via a DBA course at Sybase UK.

--
Michael Pickard,
Developer, NettGain Solutions Ltd.
Williams House, Manchester Science Park, Manchester, M15 6SE, United
Kingdom.
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